Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (Stockmal) — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:48:42 GMT

57Clemson wrote:

I bought Blauvelt's form along with his power hand planer and measuring devices years ago.I had some initial issues with the form and he quickly replaced it,no questions asked. All else worked as anticipated. It was a decent start on a lower budget. I think you will generally get what you pay for.

I agree 100%....I to have the Blauvelt's form, and it served me well in...

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (57Clemson) — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:34:12 GMT

I bought Blauvelt's form along with his power hand planer and measuring devices years ago.I had some initial issues with the form and he quickly replaced it,no questions asked. All else worked as anticipated. It was a decent start on a lower budget. I think you will generally get what you pay for.

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (Carlin) — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:45:18 GMT

The taper that is cut into the Wagner forms goes from .110" to .150" over one inch (closed). What Jeff was saying on his site is that the swell cut in the example photo was cut at .120" over 2":

This is a picture of the first blank I planed up with this new tool, featuring a swell of about .120 over 2"...and you can make them even bigger, if you desire!

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Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (Stockmal) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:07:52 GMT

I noticed on the Wagner site it indicates "a swell of about .120 over 2" on their forms, does that coincides with your Wagner forms?

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (Stockmal) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:59:41 GMT

That's the info I've been looking for...thanks a bunch guys!

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (Carlin) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:26:21 GMT

If I'm not mistaken, Joe was saying that the forms have a slope of .001"/inch and are about .110" fully closed at the start of the swell, then add .025" over the next 2" and continue the .001"/inch slope. For a 7' rod, these would be the minimum (closed) station measurements:

84" - .143"
80" - .138"
72" - .135"
70" - .110" (swell starts)
65" - .105"
60" - .100"
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Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (Photojoe4) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:19:11 GMT

If you could provide the dimensions of the taper you are making, I could set up a form and see if it will cut to those dimensions.

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (Stockmal) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:10:11 GMT

Hey...thanks Joe for that info on the Bellinger swelled forms.
My only concern would be if I was making a 7' 3wt. rod with a swell...and the form isn't cut shallow enough
near the tip of the butt section because of where the swell is position. So my next question would be...
if the Bellinger swelled forms are completely closed down the entire butt side...what are the depth specs.
of the form at each station. If I knew these minimum depth numbers with the form...

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (Photojoe4) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:39:01 GMT

Here is some information on the Bellinger swelled butt forms:

The swell has a .025" drop over 2 inches. That's in addition to the straight taper of .001"/inch that is cut into the form.

The minimum butt dimension (with the forms all the way closed) on the straight taper forms is roughly .110", and with the swell it would be .135"

It's quite possible to cut most any extreme swell (Leonard, T&T, Heddon, FE Thomas, etc..) and also any...

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (Stockmal) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:09:29 GMT

I have a question about the Bellinger forms with the swelled butt.
Can you tell me if the swell on these forms can duplicate the swelled butt found on the old Thomas & Thomas rods?
I know the Wagner forms do... but when I contacted Bellinger on this they couldn't give me much information on it.
Are there limitations to the range of tappers that the Bellinger swelled forms are capable of producing? I was very surprised
when I contacted Bellinger that they were...

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (Troutgetter) — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:13:22 GMT

Good choice! Mike

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (Prowanab) — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:42:19 GMT

I ordered my form and binder from Bellinger, Joe said they would ship Friday.

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (gew3201) — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:01:57 GMT

I would recommend Forrest Maxwell hands down. Forrest is the one who made all the forms for Bellinger before leaving and going out on his own. I tell you he is one hell of a machinist and his work is only the finest quality. Right now I have him making me a beveller which IMHO runs circles around the Hand Planners friend in overall quality and percision. Give him a call and talk with him I promise you will not be disappointed.

Gary

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (Robert Hicks) — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:44:01 GMT

"By waiting and paying more to own the Bellinger/Wagner forms what do you really achieve? ".....

I had a set of the cheaper forms, (Blauvelt) here and kept finding glue lines in the same place of every rod that I made. About 12" from the base of the rod, right as the cane came out of the cork...you know...one of the first places that people's eyes went when looking at a rod. Come to find out the...

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (antiquarianangler) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:12:21 GMT

Thanks again fot the input, absolutely vital.
CheersGreg

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (oldschoolcane) — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:22:20 GMT

Thanks for the comprehensive listing of planing form suppliers, cool. I've already been in touch with Bamboo Rodsmith about their forms, I wonder beyond the obvious differences of length & the depth guage included with the Bellinger - what is the user specific difference between the Bellinger and Bamboo Rodsmith forms? Would the Rodsmith forms do everything most would require? By waiting and paying more to own the Bellinger/Wagner forms what do you really achieve?

Tim

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (ArcticCane) — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:32:45 GMT

Here are details and specs for all the planing form manufacturers that I could find. Details and prices are valid through summer '07. Form length and minimum tip depth might be of interest.

Bamboo Rodsmith - Mark P. Mahaffey
http://bamboorodsmith.com/planing_forms.htm
bamboorodsmith@gmail.com
775-338-2128
$430 + s/h...

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (aparramoure) — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:24:54 GMT

Colorado Bootstrap forms are execellent. Cap screws and allen screws... can't beat it.

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (oldschoolcane) — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:20:26 GMT

It looks like Bellinger forms are the mid priced suppliers, what about Colorado Bootstrap forms and others? Anyone have any thoughts on forms for less cash outlay?

Tim

Re: Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (antiquarianangler) — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:17:41 GMT

Wow! (sold on both forms) Great input on both forms, thank you very much, I am much obliged. Now for for the next question and the next and the next hahaha... Now, Bellinger is cheaper and include the depth guage hhmmmm.
Cheers Greg

Choice of steel planing form. Bellinger, Wagner or?

feeds@yuku.com (antiquarianangler) — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:04:52 GMT

I am in the unenviable position of having to choose the tools required to make my own bamboo fly rods. I have set up a basic workshop and have been making some of my own tools. But, I draw the line at making a steel planing form when there Professional companies out there selling high quality forms. So, here goes; My question is, Which form would you choose if money was not an object but quality was. Wagner or Bellinger? It is my understanding Golden Witch no longer sell steel forms. The...