Question Regarding Rod Deposits

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (Canebum) — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:37:17 GMT

PYochim wrote:
It's nice to hear from a rod builder offering a perspective from the other end. In perusing Mr. Nunley's web page, I would feel comfortable dealing with him.

Mr Nunley has built a custom rod for me before and he was more than accommodating in every way. A true gentleman to deal with in every way!

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (SpringCreek) — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:53:18 GMT

I was in a somewhat similar situation a while ago. Assuming some part of the transaction involved U.S. Mail (either sending payment or shipping of the rods) you can file a mail fraud claim with the US Postal Service. It can carry more weight than a small claims court settlement. I would send a registered letter outlining your position with a copy of the mail fraud claim and let the maker know you will file said claim if a settlement can not be reached.

Good luck.

Jim

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (HighMeadowFarm) — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:51:28 GMT

I am speaking with my attorney presently about what to do. It's a shame that I need to get to this point. I'll most likely contact the Better Business Bureau and local authorities in his jurisdiction as well. It's a shame that I can not really discuss this persons name in question to save others from a similiar situation. But I do understand that besides the libel aspect, some might bad mouth certain builders for their own agenda which may not fall into such a one sided situation...

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (flyty) — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:32:25 GMT

Take legal action just on principle. Also, he has had your $3,000 for many years. If you think he deserves some payment--which I don't see why since he has put you through a big hassle--the interest he earned on your money is good enough payment. At only 2% interest per year, that's $60/year he has earned in interest x 3 years = $180.

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (ibookje) — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:43:56 GMT

This maker has taken himself into a nasty situation he won't come out unless he comes with a decent solution. But again, the non-communication is making things worse.

I'd also start thinking about legal action...

Jay

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (BobS) — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:14:56 GMT

As I read it, the guy with the mask and gun has your $3000. You have nothing for it.

Would take one last shot at settlement not involving attorney, while being committed to going the legal route if necessary. I'd send registered letter recounting the facts, demanding refund except for a modest "for your trouble" fee, and expressing intent to pursue legally. If this doesn't work, I'd go to an attorney and explore the options and costs.

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (HighMeadowFarm) — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:01:31 GMT

Jay,
Questioning whether it is "worth it" to pay for presentation grade aesthetics is really not the issue. Those personal preferences having nothing to do with the fact that I have no product and no money from this transaction. But to answer your question as to why I decided to get a different rod from this maker is simple. He said the new rod was completely different in both taper design, casting quality and aesthetics. I was told to try that one out. The second rod was...

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (ibookje) — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:39:24 GMT

Phew.... that's quite a story.

What I don't understand is why you agreed to go for the presentation version if you knew the taper(s) the maker uses doesn't fit your casting style so why should a presentation version fit your casting style?
If it were me, I would never go for the highest cosmetics if I weren't sure the maker builds rods that fits my casting style, overall cosmetics, etc. I also don't get the idea of getting a rod all pimped up making it a...

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (HighMeadowFarm) — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:49:22 GMT

I hope this doesn't hijack the thread but I think it falls into the same situation and I'm at a loss at what to do at this point. If a moderator would like to put this under its own category that would be fine. I'm also obviously leaving out the name of this maker as I know it is against board rules and that point is well taken as this forum could be used in the wrong way if that started happening. I'd like to start by saying I am an experienced caster have many rods...

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (bluno) — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:45:10 GMT

I do not have any problems with deposits but it should work in both ways: I had an experience with a builder, who did not keep the promised delivery time of the rod. Therefore, if a builder needs 5 years to build a rod instead 1 year (as originally promised), the deposit should be given back. I have also to allocate my resources in anticipation of the rod delivery. I would have bought another rod(s) from a different builder in the meantime. It was also one of my first rods in a standard...

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (tjsshl) — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:41:13 GMT

Thank you for the feedback on this. I think it has largely reaffirmed my own feelings that there is little justification for keeping a deposit before any work is started on rod. Many have privately asked me the name of this builder and I'm happy to share that information but I also added that I was hoping that this deposit issue might still get resolved. I've sent a letter to the builder in the hopes of resolving this and I think its only fair to give the guy a chance to respond....

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (fishbum) — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:10:36 GMT

I have to agree with John Channer and Bill Oyster on this issue. As a small unknown maker I absolutly can't afford to foster ill-will with customers. I don't require a deposit but some customers offer and I accept. I do require full payment before I deliver a finished rod. Should it become necessary to refund their money I will gladly do it. What is the problem? If a maker dosen't deliver a product, he deserves no pay. Pretty simple. It dosn't matter how far along you are with...

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (ibookje) — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:31:05 GMT

Well said Dave!

My opinion:
This all is very sad for the original poster but it shouldn't be such a delicate issue in terms of what feelings will be hurt etc.
It's a business transaction and it should be handled as such. By both parties. If the transaction is in turmoil, take your needed actions. If doesn't work out, get angry (= or any other thing you need to do to get the steam released) and take your loss.

As Dave said, this maker took advantaged...

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (fishbates) — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:54:28 GMT

Yep I made a deposit on a ron kusse rod and got tired of the wait so i asked bob for my $500 deposit back and he refunded my money, that is what i expect, i think the builder took advantage of you and it costs him nothing to return your money and even if he did start the rod unless he could not sell it i would say he could keep the deposit. Please send me an email as to who it is so i will know who not to order a rod from.

dave

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (Trouter2) — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:11:41 GMT

Amen to that also Bill O. A good reputation is worth more than a few hundred bucks. This builders rep is not very good anymore per the PM's asked to the poster by people on this web site. I was not a builder, but was in the retail business for many years and my word was my bond. I wanted these people back as customers and I wanted my good name spread by word of mouth. Sounds like the builder needs to get rid of his outdated business thinking. It turn me off to the point that I dont even...

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (oysterbamboo) — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:04:34 GMT

I require a deposit of 25% on the rods I make. As a result, I can feel confident that a buyer is serious enough to come up with the other 75% when the rod is complete. Because I get serious customers, I very rarely get cancellations or have to deal with any ensuing drama. Because of this, when I DO get a cancellation, the deposit is returned, in full, no questions asked. If I made a rod for someone and they didn't like it, for any reason, I would return their money in full....

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (john channer) — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:20:38 GMT

Everybody handles deposits differently, some very top drawer makers don't even ask for a deposit, they have enough cash flow and reputation that anything they build will sell as soon as they offer it. I charge $250, which is fully refundable if for any reason the finished rod doesn't live up to the customer's expectations, but that's just me and it's the only way I'm comfortable with taking orders, and I don't want the balance due until the customer has taken the...

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (creakycane) — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:15:45 GMT

I would assume that any deposit will be returned to the buyer if the maker doesn't deliver; in the case of buyer cancellation, I would assume it would be lost. Changing orders, future orders etc would be case by case, I guess. The few orders I have cancelled I just let the deposit go, figuring for his trouble/time dealing with me.

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (czkid) — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:58:35 GMT

Amen Bobbie.............

Re: Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (rlnunleycom) — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:38:12 GMT

I absolutely agree that if a builder cancels, he SHOULD without question, return the deposit. This actually happened with me a few years ago. I had a moderate stroke and had a backlog of rods. I contacted each customer, returned the deposits to the ones that wanted them back and actually, had several wanting and willing to wait for me to complete rehab and make their rods. It was a very long time before I could do my work again, but I did, obviously, get back on the train. But, all the...

Question Regarding Rod Deposits

feeds@yuku.com (tjsshl) — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:37:47 GMT

I am curious how others view this. I am not angry but it left a sour taste with me:

I'm not going to mention names, but I ordered two rods from a very well know builder. The second rod was ordered about 3-4 months after the first. I was told that the second rod would be finished within a very fast time frame (about 6-8 months and lightning fast for a builder of his caliber) and first rod ordered would take about 11-12 months. I sent a deposit for each rod.

During the...