Goodwin Granger Victory

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (Telecaster) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:23:18 GMT

You know, I never thought to check the Granger Registered database for this but the breakpoint, as far as the direction of the shaft markings, is between serial #'s 1949215 and 1949220.

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (Flyman615) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:38:12 GMT

NB/Dan:

I am glad you found this discussion somewhat useful and/or of interest.

There was some definite standardization of the location of the Granger stamped ink markings, but their location was not absolute. If you think about it, the probable turnover of personnel in the Granger shop coupled with the relatively large numbers of Granger rods produced most likely led, in my opinion, to many subtle variations in details such as the aforementioned markings, and...

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (Telecaster) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:54:43 GMT

I'm not sure it's helped but I appreciate the info. As you guessed I'm trying to date some rods (a Victory and 2 Favorites). I read here http://home.comcast.net/~...e/vintage_rod_history.htm that the shaft markings were changed...

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (nativebrownie) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:50:32 GMT

Flyman,

Much appreciated info... Did Grangers vary at all over the years as to which flat contained the stamp? I have one seemingly original with the markings on the flat even with where the reel seat would be mounted.

NB

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (Flyman615) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:35:09 GMT

Dan:

Frankly there are several other variables that could be used to date Wright & McGill Grangers too. I would add to your list the style/size of the rubber stamped markings (for "Wright & McGill" and the grade, e.g. "Granger Victory"); as well as the details/construction of the famous up lock n/s reel seat (there were several variations).

As to the direction of said inked markings--running either towards or away from the grip--I...

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (Telecaster) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:09:01 GMT

Thanks Flyman. That's interesting...so is it safe to assume then that a Victory without the black tipping, and with the shaft markings reading away from the grip, dates to probably 50 or 51? And would it also be safe to assume that a Favorite with shaft markings reading toward the grip was made after 51 and would therefore have simpler wraps than the model once did?

Thanks for the help,
Dan

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (Flyman615) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:48:54 GMT

Yes, the early W&M Victorys had black tipping, but it was later dropped--in the early 1950's.

Other Granger grades also had simplifications to their wraps, the DeLuxe and Favorite come to mind, in an effort, no doubt, to reduce costs and production time.

Best again,
Flyman

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (Telecaster) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:05:33 GMT

Did any of the Wright McGill era Victory's have the black tipping or was this only on the Granger rods? If so, any idea what year they stopped wrapping them like that?

Thanks,

Dan

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (nativebrownie) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:01:05 GMT

Flyman,

Totally agree about the Victory wrappings with the double black tipping - beautiful. One of my favorite rods to pull out and visit on winter nights is a GG 9050 Victory - all original - and very striking, indeed.

NB

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (Flyman615) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:31:24 GMT

Plated brass reel seats on Goodwin Granger rods date briefly from the 1941-42 period before the shop was shut down by the War Production Board. I have both up lock and slide band examples in my collection. Nickle silver was not available due to to the war effort, thus the temporary change.

These wartime seats were, however, somewhat different in appearance from the chromium plated up lock reel seats used on the early Granger Registereds like my 1939 example. I am no metallurgist,...

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (jlk) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:08:43 GMT

Thanks to everyone for the information and encouragement. As for the chrome seat, I've read in CCC that the Registered series used chrome seats, though it seems unlikely they'd use the same seats on the Registered and Stream and Lake series.

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (oldschoolcane) — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:22:05 GMT

I also just purchased an 8-1/2 foot Granger/Wright McGill. Its not in fishable condition but I plan to get it there, not the Victory.....the label thats left reads only stream, so its the Stream & Lake WM and the reelseat reads Goodwin Granger. My question is about the seat, most appear to be sterling silver but this seat looks like real shiny chrome? When did they begin using chrome seats?

Tim

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (Flyman615) — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:30:39 GMT

Some of the early Granger Victorys did indeed have the second era slide band reelseat and short "Coke bottle" grip.
I also have an 8642 so configured in my collection.
And IMO the orange/black jasper with double black tipping is one of Granger's most attractive wrap patterns.

I think you'll really like your "new" rod.

Regards,
Flyman

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (teter) — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:31:02 GMT

John,
That's a nice find.

Lon

Re: Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (AKSalmo57) — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:18:38 GMT

From what I have read and understood the rods with the sliding bands were the earlier versions of the Victory model. Granger used up the old stock first. I have an 8040 and a 8642 Victory models both with sliding bands.

Hope this Helps,
Rick

Goodwin Granger Victory

feeds@yuku.com (jlk) — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:09:56 GMT

I just acquired a very nice Goodwin Granger 8'6" Victory rod. In COLORADO CLASSIC CANE it says that the Victory series was introduced in 1935 and used the new uplocking nickle-silver seat. This one though has the older downlocking slideband seat. Does anyone know whether the Victory series was introduced earlier than 1935, or if some models were offered with the slideband seat? The rod has a short (5 1/2") thick grip, and you can find a picture of it on Per Brandin's...