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        <![CDATA[ There&#39;s a great quote from John Gierach&#39;s &quot;Fishing Bamboo&quot; about his first experience casting a Garrison:


&quot;I&#39;ll never forget the day I got to cast a real, by God, 8-foot 6-weight Garrison. It was the first genuinely classic rod I&#39;d ever gotten my
hands on and when I walked out on the owner&#39;s lawn with it and began to cast, I thought the sky would open up, a shaft of light would descend, and
everything would suddenly become clear. What beame clear was that... ]]>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Classic Disappointments ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Hey Andy, To my knowledge you do not own any of my rods and if you do, why would you have purchased a rod that was so dissagreeable to you.  Everyone is
entitled to to their opinion of which rod is agreeable with their casting style and certainly are you.  (Expecially since you are new to either fly fishing or
bamboo.)  In defence of the rod model your talking about, I have sold over 50 &quot;Black Log Creeks&quot; over the past 10 years.  Never heard one complaint. 
Keep in mind, it&#39;s... ]]></description>

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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Classic Disappointments ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Having fished an Orvis Midge 7 1/2&#39; rated for an HEG 5 serial no 71429 for about 5 years on the Elk River on Vancouver Island, the rod has proved itself to
be
<br>
<br>
a very good Dry Fly Rod matched with a no 3 WF Sharkskin trout line. With this line the rod will easily cast 50 to 60 feet with a no 12 dry fly. This rod will
also
<br>
<br>
perform well with a no 4 WF Sharkskin for small weighted fly.
<br>
Petri Heil Uwe ]]></description>

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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Classic Disappointments ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Bearbutt, That taper has been around a long time. I guess it&#39;s a classic now though. best laugh I&#39;ve had in a while. thanks! ]]></description>

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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Classic Disappointments ]]></title>
			<link>http://clarksclassicflyrodforum.yuku.com/reply/127874/t/Classic-Disappointments.html#reply-127874</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ never cast a hardy rod I really liked. was about to buy a Marvel because I had heard so many rave reviews about it and it would have fit my fishing (mostly
4-weight lines) but when I got to cast and fish one (yes I totally agree, thats the only valuable test!) I was very disappointed and never tried to buy one
anymore.
<br>
<br>
No Dickerson taper rod ever did the trick for me. Too stiff for my liking.
<br>
the few Edwards I had were, well, lets say not to my liking. I am sure there are great... ]]></description>

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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Classic Disappointments ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I have owned a few old rods in the lesser well thought of category, usually an A&amp;F or some fly fishing retailer fronting for Leonard or another builder,
and they were good rods but not great rods. However, on the whole, I can easily say that the Gillum, Paynes, Dickersons, Heddon and Garrison I own rival if not
surpass offerings from present Masters Carpenter, Aroner, Bradford, Thomas and Thomas, Summers and others. My votes for favorite in size, Payne 96 for
6&#39;6&quot;, Payne 97,... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">bearbutt wrote:</strong>
  <hr>
  Here&#39;s one I never mastered--and which is the crappiest roll casting rod ever: the bluefish rod. Probably should have been named the bluewhale rod--casts
  a 1,627 weight DT. Not sure about the taper--it sure isn&#39;t parabolic. Maybe Joel could swing it with authority? Anyhow, it&#39;s a little faster than
  those Orvis Midge rods. 
  <br>
  <br>
  <br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I keep telling you, Joe, &quot;Listen... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ doloresboy,
<br>
if you have a Limestone you&#39;d like to get rid of I&#39;d be very interested, depending on condition and price. send me a pm if your interested and i may be
able to help relieve you of such a disappointment. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Bob, work with your Limestone Special. It&#39;s a solid taper, much loved by the few lucky enough to own one. Some of us fished bamboo before graphite was ever
invented, and for us, it&#39;s a good rod. It casts smoothly and loads at very short distances. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Orvis Limestone Special.  I think it&#39;s just me and Orvis rods.  Must be a hitch in my giddyup.
<br>
Matt ]]></description>

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			<link>http://clarksclassicflyrodforum.yuku.com/reply/127498/t/Classic-Disappointments.html#reply-127498</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Here&#39;s one I never mastered--and which is the crappiest roll casting rod ever: the bluefish rod.  Probably should have been named the bluewhale rod--casts
a 1,627 weight DT.  Not sure about the taper--it sure isn&#39;t parabolic.  Maybe Joel could swing it with authority?  Anyhow, it&#39;s a little faster than
those Orvis Midge rods.
<br>
<br>
<img src="http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff104/muddlerminnow/utilitypole.jpg" alt="image">
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Classic Disappointments ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ This rod has taken a beating on this thread.
<br>
<br>
It is, I agree, a slower than medium/slow rod. Not a lot of folks cup of tea for sure!
<br>
<br>
Just a personal reflection on this taper, I kinda liked it for the type of water I fished it with.
<br>
Small mountain streams with small pools, glides, and good pocket water.
<br>
Effortless, in my opinion.
<br>
<br>
Really didn&#39;t want to sell mine, but another more desirable rod beckoned and one had to go!
<br>
<br>
bobbyg ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Well, several of you have reminded me of my long departed, not missed, Orvis Midge. I completely forgot about that one. My shrink says we tend to block out the
most traumatic experiences of our lives.<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/laugh.gif" alt="image"> I love the description of a
handle attached to a rope. It&#39;s easy to say that the caster must adjust to the rod; it&#39;s yet another to finally say &quot;the h**l with it! There are
rods out there to... ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:55:09 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I have to say that the one rod I have cast (I have limited experience with cane) that did not agree with me at all was a Curt Elder 7&#39; 4wt, while not a
classic, I expected more from a $1500 rod. That rod just felt too slow for pleasurable casting. I like a medium-medium fast cane rod I have found, and that is
where I place my Folsom on the scale.
<br>
<br>
For classic rods that I would love to cast, the Orvis Mitey Mite, South Bend 323 8.5&#39;, and Heddon #17 in all lengths. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I have yet to find a rod under 8&#39;, that wasn&#39;t at least a decent caster. I can say the same about most sticks.
<br>
I feel the 8&#39; Orvis nymph was the worst taper ever. The 7/3, although no where near the top of my list of favorites, was servicable in the casting dept. ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:34:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I love my Orvis Midge. Love those sloppy slow rods. It is one of my favorite Orvis tapers. Loads perfect with a DT-4. My next Orvis will be the Limestoner. I
see it as being more for swinging wets and soft hackles. Too soft for big water and big flies.
<br>
<br>
Bohemianbob ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I like this thread- it&#39;s just controversial enough, and above all on-topic in regard to subject matter.
<br>
<br>
Plus, occasionally people contribute their opinions on rods they really <em>did</em> find to be all that they&#39;re cracked up to be (or something like that.)
<br>
<br>
Whoa, someone doesn&#39;t like the Heddon 8&#39; 1 3/4F...Boo, that one is too fast for your taste, I gather.
<br>
<br>
I thought I&#39;d like my Phillipson 8&#39; Pacemaker more than I do. Too medium action.... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I owned a Leonard 39-H post-fire rod. Bought it with money from the first recording I ever made. Didn&#39;t please me, except for the snob appeal of owning a
Leonard. I traded it for a Heddon 7&#39; President Featherweight. Now that was a stick!! One of the best 4wts I&#39;ve ever cast. Now, thirty years later, when
I go to my local fly shop and pick up what&#39;s on the rack, those super light graphite rods feel so stiff and unyielding, I can believe that the rod they say
is a 3wt would... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I use to get along with most bamboo rods if I give them i little bit of time to get to know their soul. But there are a couple of well known classics that did
not speak to me. The 7&#39; 6&#39;&#39; Hardy &quot;Marvel&quot; was fun to wiggle, but It didn´t do it for me.
<br>
I also cast a Gillum &quot;Light Salmon&quot; that was tricky to be &quot;friends&quot; with. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ wb,
<br>
That Payne was likely a 103.  Years ago I had that model and I agree with you, it was a fine casting six weight.
<br>
Jim ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ One of the guys over at the former Winston shop (now with Sweetgrass) is a friend of mine.  Several years ago, at a big tackle show in Denver, I ran into him. 
He had brought about a half-dozen Winston rods.  Some were new designs like pentas, but a couple were traditional Winston tapers.  I&#39;d always wanted to
cast an 8-foot Winston, ever since I inherited one from my dad, all de-laminated and rotted and beyond repair.  So I took one over to the casting pool and was
. . . underwhelmed.... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ There&#39;s a great quote from John Gierach&#39;s <em>&quot;Fishing Bamboo&quot;</em> about his first experience casting a Garrison:
<br>
<br>
<em>&quot;I&#39;ll never forget the day I got to cast a real, by God, 8-foot 6-weight Garrison. It was the first genuinely classic rod I&#39;d ever gotten my
hands on and when I walked out on the owner&#39;s lawn with it and began to cast, I thought the sky would open up, a shaft of light would descend, and
everything would suddenly become clear. What... ]]></description>

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