fastest taper you know?

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feeds@yuku.com (pacchef23) — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:18:14 GMT

South Bend Cross Battaviakill or Sylph 7'6" 5 wt 2 pc. I have built it in hex and quad. The quad is a bit faster and awesome in tight quarters.

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feeds@yuku.com (bluejayee) — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:53:10 GMT

Hi Guys, I still think we haven't defined the term 'fast taper.' Fast casting is not the same as fast taper. The fastest taper is one with a taper that is, by definition, fast. Check out Cattanach's comments in Hexrod. I think the question is answered only with numbers not castability, best on a windy day, etc. Only how many thousands of taper/inch answers the question. I'd say to consider only the working taper, that is, not inclusive of swelled butt or other...

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feeds@yuku.com (Battenkiller) — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:26:07 GMT

Haven't had time to chime in on this site much since I joined, but I have been slowly reading some recent threads to get a sense of the knowledge base here. I found this thread and, against my better judgment, I am moved to respond. I apologize in advance for the "newbie" rant ahead.

I also feel that Blue Quill is spot on with his assessment of rods actions. I haven't made a rod yet, but when I do I will have very little interest in super fast actions. They are...

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feeds@yuku.com (Marshall8) — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 10:14:49 GMT

I'm with Chuck (Blue Quill) on the Para tapers to get to fast. The only thing that fights wind etc is line speed and I think the Para tapers have been described as providing the highest line speed per weight in the rod of any other taper. Yea the rod bends but when you get the stroke right it is an effortless powerful rod. I use a MVBrooks permacane Para 15 that is a great big water, windy day Bighorn River style big fish rod that whups all the "fast" tapers to get the job...

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feeds@yuku.com (bluejayee) — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:16:09 GMT

Hi Guys, The question, to my mind hasn't been answered by referring to rods with out numbers. Saying a rod casts a 9wt, say, 'like a canon' isn't specific. I might have a short light rod with a very fast taper or a long heavy rod with not much taper at all. My brother has a 7' Leonard that [oops I only have the taper for the tip and mid] well anyway, I think it's light and fast. It's .003/inch on those sections. I thank Blue Quill for putting the term...

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feeds@yuku.com (freestoner) — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 02:39:18 GMT

Andy, wasn't the Haywood Zephyr made to go along with one of those weird Humphrey's side-caster sorta-spinning reels? I don't think it's the same taper as the usual series of 7' Phillipson fly rods at all.

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feeds@yuku.com (freestoner) — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 02:33:02 GMT

bobbeegee wrote:
Very interesting.

Checked Colorado Classic Cane pages 108 and 109 as to the Empire Westkill. Seems the only reference to this rod was a one page
catalog sheet in Wright and McGill's first (1946) catalog introducing the Granger rods, at that time listed as Granger rods built by Wright and McGill. The sole documented mention of these 8' and 8 1/2' plastic impregnated...

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feeds@yuku.com (Blue Quill) — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:38:43 GMT

Hi Bluejayee,

The "fast taper on a stick" is referred to as a "regressive taper". The Paul Young "KT Keller" was essentially a "Parabolic 15" with a regressive taper (virtually no taper from the butt to about 10" below the ferrule). It came with a light and heavy tip and was a very popular big-river rod.

A.J. McClane was a big fan of the 'KT Keller' and used often in Argentina and Chile. There are some nice photos of it...

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feeds@yuku.com (bluejayee) — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:18:42 GMT

Hi Guys, Numbers don't lie, or do they? A Perfectionist has .0024 taper/inch, Dickerson Guide 8014 .00318, Garrison 212 is .003, Heddon Featherweight 8' is .003, 8 1/2' Edwards Quad .00348, Jenkins SB852 .0033. OK, but what if the taper essentially stops somewhere? Then what do we have? A fast taper on a stick? Jay Edwards

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feeds@yuku.com (shuksanrods) — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:11:58 GMT

thank you for the replies. my personal preferences are away from a 'graphite' like bamboo, though I have cast some bamboo tapers that struck me as 'fast' but we're also just remarkable rods and powerful, so I know they're out there.

this link is of a favorite passage of mine on the subject fr. Middleton's 'The Earth is Enough'

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feeds@yuku.com (bobbeegee) — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:52:55 GMT

Very interesting.

Checked Colorado Classic Cane pages 108 and 109 as to the Empire Westkill. Seems the only reference to this rod was a one page
catalog sheet in Wright and McGill's first (1946) catalog introducing the Granger rods, at that time listed as Granger rods built by Wright and McGill. The sole documented mention of these 8' and 8 1/2' plastic impregnated rods, according to Sinclair and Spurr.

Do you own one of these enigmatic rods? Is...

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feeds@yuku.com (aquabonito) — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:52:36 GMT

Bob, (Freestoner, that is)

Very interesting bet. As I recall you were very impressed with my 7' Powr Pakt when you waggled it. Maybe the 7' Zephyr has a different taper.

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feeds@yuku.com (freestoner) — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:03:54 GMT

According to what little info we've been able to dig up over at the Appraisals & ID Dept.- Granger, of all folks. Apparently, there's a brief reference on one page of that book, about them supplying the rod model to Empire Tackle Company in New York. Weirder yet, it's an impregnated rod.

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feeds@yuku.com (Blue Quill) — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:55:21 GMT

In my opinion extra-fast action rods of any given line weight generally load very poorly, throw a lot of shock waves, present flys poorly, and are really heavier-line rods marked for lighter lines.

If there's wind and distance involved and a customer wants to throw a lot of 5wt line he wants a powerful rod, not a fast rod. A PHY Parabolic 15, Garrison 212, or similar parabolic or progressive taper will throw all the 5wt line one will ever need, into a wind, and with excellent...

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feeds@yuku.com (bobbeegee) — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:30:00 GMT

A new one on me.......who made it?

Bob

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feeds@yuku.com (freestoner) — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:18:50 GMT

I'd bet that the Etco Westkill makes the Zephyr feel like a noodle. 8' 2-piece, for 8 weight. Maybe 9 weight.

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feeds@yuku.com (Flyman615) — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:18:26 GMT

Phillipson 7'0" Haywood Zephyr.
(Taper copied from a Brunswick pool cue.)

Flyman

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feeds@yuku.com (uniphasian) — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:39:36 GMT

The fastest trout rod I've personally fished is a Montagne prototype quad 7'9" for a #4 line.

There's no way to overpower this rod, but it works - somehow...

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feeds@yuku.com (AJ Bamboo) — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:58:37 GMT

tonka queen

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feeds@yuku.com (wefishcane) — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:32:39 GMT

I had a Kusse 71/2' five weight that a friend described as a pr..kstick. Needless to say it was one of his fast tapers. After breaking off several trout one day (not saying the fisherman wasn't without fault) the rod found a new owner.
Jim

fastest taper you know?

feeds@yuku.com (shuksanrods) — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:22:28 GMT

opinion poll....the fastest 'available' 5wt. taper you know?

looking for a fast trout rod taper to handle big and fast water and big wind, and the fisherman wants all the muscle he can get, kinda counter intuitive to bamboo but I'll do my homework.

much thx in advance-
jw