Glue lines appearance or problem?

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (Blue Quill) — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:00:22 GMT

Hi Canerod72,

The weight doesn't sound too heavy, but the binding-thread tension may be too tight. Also check the edges of the binder saddle and make sure they are generously radiussed.

Also, check your strip angles before gluing. If the strip angle is greater than 60-degrees it will press the fine edges of each strip against each other with no full-flat support when binding, and they may crack from the force. Some makers use 61-degrees to hide glue-lines, and even...

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (gooseberryrods) — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:03:11 GMT

I have not had that problem but I have had masking taper pull fibers away from the strip which caused a glue line. Were you building a quad by chance?

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (canerod72) — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:20:24 GMT

I have built 2 rods with apparent glue lines that were not caused by poor workmanship (planing) but by my binder during glue-up. Actually they are not glue lines at all but spots where the binder drive cord has broken the thin fibers on the edge of a strip where two strips meet. They break off in very thin slivers and are just big enough to look like a nasty gap between strips. Has anyone else experienced this problem? For what it's worth, I used about a pound of weight when binding...

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (JPMarci) — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:21:20 GMT

Perhaps we need to go fishing. I believe we are posting about similar stuff on another thread with a slightly different angle.

regards

John

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (mvbrooks) — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:56:27 GMT

I went back and looked at my post and found it a bit confusing. What I meant was, the best and most used glues have specific temperature and mixing conditions. If those are not followed, a glue line might be the sign of a structural defect. More often, however, a glue line is just a cosmetic defect. The problem is, glue lines in both cases can be easily covered up. So, the presence of a glue line or not, means very little (maybe nothing) about the reliability and suitability of a fly rod as a...

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (bluejayee) — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:33:23 GMT

Hi Guys, Without going into the 'tech' of it I'll say that I don't charge for glue lines. That is when a rod has 'em, they cost less. I can't break a perfectly usable rod over my knee to 'save my reputation.' It becomes a 'cheap rod.' Jay Edwards

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (PaducahMichael) — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:06:43 GMT

With apologies to Max Erhmann:

"If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain or bitter,
for always there will be greater and lesser rodmakers than yourself."

As Gnome says, perfection is unattainable, though a worthy goal.

Seek balance : a beautiful rod that is a pleasure to cast. Perhaps not perfect in any way, other than in the perfect thrill of lifting the tip and feeling a fish. And what's more...

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (Gnome) — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:35:34 GMT

Going back to my ancestors point of view ; The only one allowed perfection is the great spirit. Man can aspire to that but he will never achieve it.

American Indian beadwork will always have a bead out of place in respect for the great spirit.

I have a fair portion of Delaware Indian in my family tree. Great grandmother on Dads side was a full blooded Delaware.

So all rods must be perfect? not going to happen. And if anyone has a perfect rod I would love to see...

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (maruoff) — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:20:08 GMT

I have had rods for 700 that were great with no glue lines (not so great cosmetics of course then but workmanship great) and had rods for nearly 3000 that had sets and glue lines new straight out of the tube.
I am sure that some folks care more than others. and that even applies to some very high-dollar rods unfortunately which I honestly cant understand at all. a 2000$+ rod should be perfect in every respect.
that this is often not the case I learned the hard way. and am still...

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (mvbrooks) — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:53:50 GMT

Now, I pride myself on building blanks without glue lines (and have a series of complex steps I go through to avoid them that I will write about some day), but glue lines can be due to any one of a number of causes and are usually of no import whasoever. Moreover, *most* builders get glue lines on blanks from time to time and deal with them by literally filling them in with glue and sawdust (hint: I use Titebond II, thinned with water, and wood powder, the stuff sold as a mix for use with...

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (thegubster) — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:55:53 GMT

orange caddis wrote:

waliwiz wrote:
Over the years I have heard different opinions in regards to noticable glue lines on bamboo rods. Is it more cosmetic, or is this a problem down the line.

glue lines are a joke, any rod maker that sells their rod with glues line does not have very high standards imo!

...

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (orange caddis) — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:32:46 GMT

waliwiz wrote:
Over the years I have heard different opinions in regards to noticable glue lines on bamboo rods. Is it more cosmetic, or is this a problem down the line.

glue lines are a joke, any rod maker that sells their rod with glues line does not have very high standards imo!

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (findwolfhard) — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:24:51 GMT

Hi all, I sold the rod as used item, because I fished it,- and I also used the most elaborate polishing stuff for Urushi laquer and also for lapidary purposes. It looked quite allright after treatment and, as I said, the owner was thrilled by it, if he had received the rod as it had been,- well, I think I saved the maker`s reputation for him! And I lost money on it!

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (Blue Quill) — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:43:29 GMT

Raises an interesting question: Would the rod you sold be considered original, refinished, or an entirely new category of kit rod.

Sir, you have a kind heart.

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (findwolfhard) — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:10:03 GMT

I cleared the guides, and I also polished out the poor varnish by hand, because it had dusty particles all over. Took me about 2 days of tedious work. Looked allright then. I sold it after a couple of weeks, not for that reason, but it didn`t fit my casting. The rod stayed in Europe. The new owner loved it.
Best regards Wolfhard

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (bobbeegee) — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:54:19 GMT

findwolfhard wrote:
Hi all,- I bought a brand new rod once from a well-known maker, - what can I say,- almost all rings were full of varnish, I guess that should serve as a kind of "sealing", to show the buyer, it hadn`t been cast and fished!

Best Wolfhard

Did you keep the rod?

Bob

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (findwolfhard) — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:10:54 GMT

Hi all,- I bought a brand new rod once from a well-known maker, - what can I say,- almost all rings were full of varnish, I guess that should serve as a kind of "sealing", to show the buyer, it hadn`t been cast and fished!

Best Wolfhard

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (tapermaker) — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:16:10 GMT

theres a fine closeup in gnomes book that shows a open seam on a dickerson you could back a truck into. so sure over the course of a lifetime most craftmen can do better than that most of the time but even the the best have bad days. another example at the rod fair last yr there was a 2000.00+ rod that had a varnish drip off a guide thatlooked to not have been buffed on at all.

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (Blue Quill) — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:14:57 GMT

The guy at the drive-through who forgets to put milk in my coffee is reflecting human imperfection. The prominent maker who charges $2000 for a rod with glue lines and other obvious quality issues is operating on a completely different set of values, created and endorsed by his clientel.

A rod maker is usually known for his best work, not all his work This is true of all artists and craftsmen. Great makers, James Payne and Everett Garrison as past examples, continued to improve...

Re: Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (softstick) — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:08:44 GMT

Hhhmmm, I respectfully disagree about the "inferior workmanship" or "just don't give a .... attitude" comments. I've seen many rods from prominent rodmakers who charge in excess of $2K with glue lines. In addition I've seen other frailties as well. You have to remember, as wonderful and talented craftsman as they are, they are all still imperfect human beings.

Glue lines appearance or problem?

feeds@yuku.com (waliwiz) — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:23:28 GMT

Over the years I have heard different opinions in regards to noticable glue lines on bamboo rods. Is it more cosmetic, or is this a problem down the line.