Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.

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feeds@yuku.com (creakycane) — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:40:37 GMT

Two more used SG's just put on Codella's site for those interested......

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feeds@yuku.com (Budrichard) — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:45:00 GMT

"We have now listed almost every maker out there."

Not quite.

Ron Kusse.

For a guy that went 'flat line' a little while ago he can still produce a mighty fine rod.-Dick

Re: Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.

feeds@yuku.com (firehole) — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:21:02 GMT

It's been a labor of love for what they love to do with alot of personal sacrifice and re-investment. Besides the above expenses they had purchase new machinery, buyout a former "boo boy", purchase land and pay contractor to build their new 2500 sq. ft. shop which opens in a few weeks.

Dennis

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feeds@yuku.com (bobbeegee) — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:30:45 GMT

Didn't intend to raise any hackles! Sweet indeed. I guess they are doing what they aspire to do and are making a decent living.
They don't appear to be deprived.

Bob

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feeds@yuku.com (pcg) — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:43:22 GMT

"Sweet"? Not one of the rodmakers made a decent living if that was the gross. Deduct expenses--materials, rent, taxes, ad infinitum--and no one did well. Sweet, indeed.

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feeds@yuku.com (bobbeegee) — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:35:31 GMT

Bah da bing...........400 grand or more! Sweet!!!!!!

Bob

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feeds@yuku.com (creakycane) — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:20:41 GMT

Wow, that's a bunch of rods in a year and a half.......!

Re: Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.

feeds@yuku.com (firehole) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:22:38 GMT

Karl,
At least 2-3 rods of those rods were sold by fly shops who had ordered rods for customers who possibly bailed on them with this economy. The economy has an effect on all of us so we set new priorities. Sweetgrass has sent out over 200+ rods in the last 1 1/2 years which probably equates to 4-5 years of production if not more of a fulltime rodmaker.
Dennis

Re: Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.

feeds@yuku.com (creakycane) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:21:13 GMT

caddisman3 wrote:
Just thinking out loud here but i think if a maker has at least 250 rods out there and less than a half dozen have been seen for sale by there owners in a 10 year period,that would qualify as being scarce on the secondary market{roughly 2.5%}.Don't want to ruffle any feathers but i have seen no less than 8 Sweetgrass rods come up for sale by there owners in less than one year[probably has a lot to do with...

Re: Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.

feeds@yuku.com (maruoff) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:12:18 GMT

not many European makers that would qualify for that list. The ones that spring to mind are Edward Barder (only very few available), Tom Moran and Bjarne Fries. The odd Fries rod turns up from time to time as is the case with Brunner and also Tom Moran rods. But these gentlemen have produced a serious number of rods and have (or had) been in the business for a long time so it is not a question of quality why their rods are sold but of sellers-profit and availability. In that respect they...

Re: Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.

feeds@yuku.com (caddisman3) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:02:00 GMT

Just thinking out loud here but i think if a maker has at least 250 rods out there and less than a half dozen have been seen for sale by there owners in a 10 year period,that would qualify as being scarce on the secondary market{roughly 2.5%}.Don't want to ruffle any feathers but i have seen no less than 8 Sweetgrass rods come up for sale by there owners in less than one year[probably has a lot to do with the economy}...

Re: Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.

feeds@yuku.com (cdmoore) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:17:47 GMT

One possible view would be that most "full-time" makers with "reasonable" output are somewhere in the 30-50 rods per year range. The estimates for making a rod run from 30-60hrs per for your typical rod. Call it 45 and you've got a work week there. 52 weeks a year, some vacation, some fishing, and there you have it.

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feeds@yuku.com (Buck Henry) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:15:19 GMT

Just curious; how many rods does a full time modern rod maker have to produce for his producction output to be classified as "reasonable"?

Re: Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.

feeds@yuku.com (Soft Hackle) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:40:47 GMT

Dave is definitely full time, he is just overly consumed with "product testing" to the point where it sometimes becomes a handicap to his output . Just another eccentric genius with a passion for perfection I guess. As a delighted owner of two, I bet very few of Dave's rods will ever surface on the secondary market

Re: Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.

feeds@yuku.com (littlerichie) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:16:03 GMT

This is certainly a nice list, but they are all Americans, or working in this country. Are there any contemporary European cane rod worthy of mention?

Re: Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.

feeds@yuku.com (pcg) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:02:02 GMT

Dave's being too modest, as that also describes Per, Abrams and possibly others. I don't think the original question included "full time" as a criteria.

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feeds@yuku.com (oneculm) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:52:22 GMT

I had a chance to talk to Dave today and he feels he does not belong on that list as he is not a full time builder as all the others mentioned are.

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feeds@yuku.com (cwfly) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:41:55 GMT

Abrams

Re: Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.

feeds@yuku.com (pcg) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:33:16 GMT

Edit that post, Maruoff, to add Jeff Hatton & Dave Male to the first list. Thanks. :-)

Re: Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.

feeds@yuku.com (maruoff) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:25:59 GMT

so can we agree that of the most popular names (full time, established makers with reasonable production numbers!) the ones that very rarely hit the secondary market are:
Per Brandin
Mike Clark
Mario Wojnicki
Jeff Wagner
Jim Reams
Dana Gray
Dave Kenney

more rods available than from the ones above:
Walt Carpenter
Bob Taylor
Homer Jennings
C. and S. Jenkins

This reads like a wish-list big time!

Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.

feeds@yuku.com (caddisman3) — Sun, 10 May 2009 14:10:45 GMT

I have been tracking bamboo rods for about 10 years and become intrigued by the fairly well known makers who produce a fair number of rods but are scarce on the secondary market,imho a testement to there rods as the buyers hold on to them.These are ones i notice most Walt Carpenter,Rick Robbins,Dana Gray,Bill Harms,just a few of the ones that are most notable where i seldom see a rod of theres comming up for sale on the secondary market.Lets here of others who have such loyal users.
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