Real 4wt. tapers?

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (ShenRods) — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:55:23 GMT

Jim

Actually, the Divine is a bit long for the SNP - 7' is as long as I recommend or use - closer to 6' is even better. The SNP is fishing great right now - fantastic water levels for this time of year - we had lots of rain during May / June.

I have a new 2 piece version of the Divine Fairy Rod - made the prototypes both solid and hollow built. The hollow version is my favorite. Even made one for Michael - he loves it. Also have the new Standard Trout - just a...

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (Jim Lowe) — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:24:47 GMT

Chris,

Thanks. The Devine is surely a stronger rod beyond 30 feet.

I forgot you were making and someone was selling new rods under the Divine name. Had I remembered I wouldn't have asked about the taper. Thanks for clarifying though that you weren't referring to one of the two tapers I was looking at.

Next time I fish the SNP I'll be sure to stop by and cast one of those new rods. By the way, that's an SNP trout in my avitar.

Thanks...

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (ShenRods) — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:56:45 GMT

Jim

I looked at the two versions of the Divine Fairy Rod in RodDNA - they are close to the Payne 97 as you commented - except - the Divine is a 3 piece rod and the Payne is 2 piece. Biggest difference is the Fairy rod has a bit stronger butt section compared to the Payne.

I used another taper for the Divine Fairy rods - the ones mentioned above are close but after measuring a couple of stripped rods at 1" intervals, we believe we have a more representative taper....

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (jayhake) — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:43:30 GMT

Happy to help Bob,

Sorry guys, I should have added a new post showing where the paper was, rather than editing the old one.

Cheers,

Jay

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (bobnorwood) — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:26:46 GMT

Jay;

I finally got the file to open, thanks very much for your good work

Bob Norwood

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (Jim Lowe) — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:54:32 GMT

Thanks Jay, no it wasn't clear to me that is what you had done.

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (jayhake) — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:23:37 GMT

Gents,

Maybe it didn't show up clearly in my previous post, but Bob's paper is posted and available for your viewing. Please just copy and paste the following URL into a browser window.

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1359570/STRESS%20CURVES%20102.pdf

Cheers,

Jay

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (Jim Lowe) — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:40:11 GMT

Chris,

Is this the Divine Fairy Rod that's listed as a 7'6" 3wt in Hexrod? I ask because we've seen two seperate tapers presented in Powerfibers.Those tapers seem to be consistent with the Payne 97 and Bob's SLT 4wts.

Thanks.

Jim.

Bob,

You need to host your PDF on the internet. Yuku might have a facility to do this. If not, send it to me and I'll host it on my website when I get home from India next week.

Jim.

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (David Dornblaser) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:04:09 GMT

If it helps, I make those posts/attachments/links for folks on my website all of the time. If you are still having trouble posting it, I will be glad to do that for you.

- David
dornblaser@uppermidwestflyfishing.com

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (jayhake) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:49:20 GMT

I am working on getting it posted this morning. Hang in there for a bit and I should have it available through this thread.

Cheers,

Jay
EDIT: Here it is, just copy and paste the link below into a new browser window:

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1359570/STRESS%20CURVES%20102.pdf

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (quashnet) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:25:25 GMT

This question came up in a Yuku Support thread which may be found here.

I can't vouch for any of the solutions, but Scribd or one of the other suggestions may work.

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (Gosland) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:43:37 GMT

Bob, I wish I could help but I don't know how to help on this one... However, I am really anticipating reading what you have written!!! Your discussions on tapers is always extremely insightful...

Anyone have a suggestion as to how Bob can post the paper he has authored and wishes to share with us?

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (bobnorwood) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:29:05 GMT

HAVE THE PAPER DONE IT'S IN WORD 4 PAGES W/GRAPHS
hOW DO I POST IT?

BOBN

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (Canewrap) — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:41:22 GMT

I'm a technical editor Bob. If you want it checked I can help you out (wlwalter77 at hotmail dot com). If you have a photobucket subscription you can pdf it and post it there, then post a link here on the board.

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (bobnorwood) — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:35:49 GMT

Deciding the line size for a particulaer rod taper can be very difficult. Most folks use the Stress Curve to evaluate the taper. However Stress is directly dependent upon the specifications used in determining what that stress is. For example, saying that we look at the Rod Stress Curve at 50 feet of line does not tell the whole story. You also need to know the STANDARD line weight used by the program because they can vary considerably directly affecting the resulting data. It's best to...

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (Canewrap) — Thu, 21 May 2009 20:35:02 GMT

Wow Chris, thanks for the baseline. Now, I can go back and get a better idea of the number of true 4wts. available in published tapers.

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (ShenRods) — Thu, 21 May 2009 18:26:33 GMT

Take a look at one of the great tapers - a Divine Fairy Rod - it is a true 4wt. It is easily converted to a 2 piece which I have done and built. I even made one for Michael. I have hollowed it just to give it a bit more responsiveness. I have made it both as solid and hollowed - I use the pair to demonstrate the effect of hollowing.

Now if you want to compare that to other potential contenders - look at the stress curves with 30' of line cast - If they have lower stresses...

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (Canewrap) — Thu, 21 May 2009 10:52:42 GMT

I agree with everything you've said Harry, but then how do you tell if what you're setting out to make is really a 4wt. and not just a 4/5wt. that fishes better with a WF5 line? I have too many 5wts. already. Is the taper for Sante's rod posted anywhere?

Re: Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (canerodscom) — Wed, 20 May 2009 23:28:11 GMT

Canewrap,

Looking at the ferrule and the diameter of the butt section gives you some hints, but as you know does not tell the whole story. Have a look at the Perfectionist which belongs to Sante, often called Martha's Perfectionist. The biggest diameter of the butt section is .271" which is right in line with what you would expect for a four weight. Even at 7' 6" though, this true four weight rod uses a 14/13 stepped ferrule which isn't what you would expect....

Real 4wt. tapers?

feeds@yuku.com (Canewrap) — Wed, 20 May 2009 10:54:35 GMT

I've looked through some online taper repositories (including David Ray's), looking for real 4wt. tapers that are 7 1/2' or longer and I find a lot of tapers that are labeled as 4wts., but when you look at the measuremenf for the ferrule and the diameter of the butt section it becomes clear that a lot are actually 4/5 wts. Is this because most of the good real 4wt. tapers probably came about in more modern times and are proprietary, unpublished tapers? I know 4wts. weren't all...