w/f vs dt

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (Zenkoanhead) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:53:18 GMT

I am more or less with MER on this one, but I find that I can't make any firm predictions about the line a given rod will prefer regardless of the specs. Generally, short, I like a DT and a WF for maximum distance, but there are simply too many exceptions to even this rule. A line I like a lot is the Ridgeline Presentation. A very long front taper and slick through the guides. But even with that specific line some rods prefer a DT and some the WF. I just keep trying different lines until...

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (mattcliff) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:10:32 GMT

You can't select your favorite DT or WF line by going down to the fly shop and lawn casting a bunch of them. You have to fish them. One of the main differences between DT and WF is that the former tend to mend line more easily, particularly when you have a lot of line on the water. This is the main reason I fish them most (though not all) of the time.

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (mvinsel) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:59:55 GMT

A DT6 and WF6 will feel different even with 30 feet of line outside the tip because the 7 feet of line inside the tip is about twice the weight with the DT as the WF. If the thin running line on a WF is about a two weight then it's about 80 grains for 30 feet, or 19 for the seven feet inside the guides. The DT6 at its full thickness of 5.3 grains per foot is 37 grains inside the guides. Add that difference of 18 grains along the length of a rod and I think you would feel it...

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (Cane Head) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:26:17 GMT

When I bought my first graphite - not too long after they hit the market, besides the warning label about powerlines, lightning, and the such, it was marked as a 5/6wt. The pamphlet that came with rod broke that down into using either a 5DT or 6WF. My second graphite rod was also marked dually the same way and the manufacturer also described the dual rating in the same way. Thus, that is how I always understood the dual rating. Perhaps with improved quality control and manufacturing...

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (tiptop) — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:35:06 GMT

jbenenson wrote:
Manufacturers create tapers for different casting and fishing situations, which is why there are 17,274,351 different fly lines. The best way to choose a line IMHO is to look at the tapers published online and decide what type you want. For example, a steep taper will turn over wind-resistant flies but ain't delicate, whereas a gentle taper will result in a delicate...

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (jbenenson) — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:42:33 GMT

Manufacturers create tapers for different casting and fishing situations, which is why there are 17,274,351 different fly lines. The best way to choose a line IMHO is to look at the tapers published online and decide what type you want. For example, a steep taper will turn over wind-resistant flies but ain't delicate, whereas a gentle taper will result in a delicate presentation but you can get a very sore shoulder trying to punch a big fly into...

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (mac7x) — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:33:18 GMT

I haul more than he did (if he's fishing now it's the Styx). I think the difference was that I knew something was wrong - he just cast it.

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (mer) — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:14:26 GMT

Casting style? Do you tend to let the rod do the work, minimal hauling? Does he have an aggressive style, heavy double hauling? Loading the rod is loading the rod, whether it's via double hauling or pure line weight.

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (mac7x) — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:50:11 GMT

Some years ago, I was fishing a reservoir with my brother. He was using a graphite 8 weight with a salmon Bomber, and I had borrowed a graphite two-hander to see if I might want to get one for salmon fishing. It didn't take long to disabuse myself of that notion, so I tried my brother's rod. I couldn't cast it at all, so I asked what he had for a line. "A weight forward 8". I said that there was no way this was an 8. "Yes it is". So I stripped enough of it off...

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (tiptop) — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:37:32 GMT

I've found that in a given line wt. the first 30 ft. of many lines (rgardless of DT or WF) cast similarly but certain ones fall to one side or the other of the bell curve, so to speak. For example, to me, the Cortland classic peach has a front taper that is so front weighted and "heavy" it casts like a heavier line. Others are abnormally light due to taper and in some cases due to the actual wt. being off a bit. But most fall somewhere in the middle. Out past 30', anyone...

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (mer) — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:51:54 GMT

I'd bet that it took a bit of education before you realized you could tell the difference, I know it did me. Lots of trying different lines on a single rod, then trying to figure out "why". Out of curiosity, what types of tapers do you prefer fishing? I'm more of a "full flexing" (Payne type) than a "tip flex/upper quarter flex", even in a "Tupperware" rod. One of my all time favorite graphite rods was a Winston IM6; I had a Loomis GL3 for...

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (Flykuni2) — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:16:33 GMT

I like your post, mer.

I sometimes run into fishers, of cane, of Tupperware, who claim they can't tell the diff between DTs and WFs. I'm amazed. Absolutely amazed. It's as different to me as wearing a synethetic dress shirt on a hot sticky day, versus a nice broken in cotton one.

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (OldCanerods) — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:11:20 GMT

If fishing small streams and/or doing short casts then the other BIG difference is that when you beat the heck out of one of these lines, you can flip ends with a DT. You can't do that with a WF. So you can get twice the life out of a DT line. Assuming you wear a line out that is.

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (mer) — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:06:50 GMT

alpom wrote:
Rio Classic would be a better example

http://www.rioproducts.com/product.php?recKey=6

Long story short, shooting line WF(shooting head design) fishing line DT

Rio Classic is a different example showing the same thing: the first 30 feet of a DT is typically not the same as the first 30 feet of a WF...

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (alpom) — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:12:38 GMT

Rio Classic would be a better example

http://www.rioproducts.com/product.php?recKey=6

Long story short, shooting line WF(shooting head design) fishing line DT

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (mer) — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:54:30 GMT

Dano wrote:
The first 30 ft being typically equal to DT, WF is built to shoot line past the head.

This Internet thing is pretty neat sometimes. Lots of people put all kinds of information out there, free for the taking.
Rio Selective Trout II, good specs for both WF and DT. The pictures show a WF5F vs a DT5F. Notice they are quite different for the first 30 feet.

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (Larry Swearingen) — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:08:32 GMT

>> not all front tapers are created equal<<
Yas, kinda like that Women's Clothes thing.

Larry Swearingen
New Hoosier

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (Flykuni2) — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:01:50 GMT

Dano wrote:
The first 30 ft being typically equal to DT, WF is built to shoot line past the head.

This is where you have to be careful -- not all front tapers are created equal.

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (thegubster) — Sun, 31 May 2009 10:56:15 GMT

Flykuni2 wrote:

He's right, they're right -- there're allowable variances in that business...............As in the clothes business, too, where women's sizes are intentionally lowered on the label.

Aw' c'mon Darrel. They wouldn't do that, would they...??!! ...

Re: w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (Dano) — Sun, 31 May 2009 09:17:37 GMT

The first 30 ft being typically equal to DT, WF is built to shoot line past the head.

w/f vs dt

feeds@yuku.com (mikegsp) — Thu, 28 May 2009 16:40:14 GMT

Ok I need someone to clarify something. Is a wf4 equal to a dt5 or is that backwards ie: wf5=dt4. In the last few weeks I have been told both.Which is correct ?