Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (jeffkn1) — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:40:38 GMT

I'm not aware of serial numbers on South Bends, only on Cross rods. I have seen some post-WW II SB's that had 4-digit model numbers (usually beginning with 5XXX), but I think in general that SB's output didn't lend itself to serial numbering. The relatively small number of Cross rods were not regular production line stuff and I think their serial numbers may have had a code of some kind but apparently that all went to the dump or incinerator decades ago.
The only...

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (Sal Fontinalis) — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:08:34 GMT

Thanks for sharing that information Jeff. We all get so focused on rods we tend to overlook the importance of "paper." Do we know anything about the serial numbers and how they relate to production date?

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (jhcoffeebum) — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:55:57 GMT

Wow thanks Jeff!
A lot of good information, from what you have here I would say mine is a 1936 edition of the 25's. I found a vintage tip top from a section to one of my SB 12's that is missing the female ferrule, so tonight I'm going to finish the wrap on the tip. The tip is 3" short, but it should still fish pretty good.
Thanks again Jeff.

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (jeffkn1) — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:45:27 GMT

The variations in wrap colors had me wondering so I went back through South Bend catalogs and here's what I found. All I have noted here is what changed from the previous year, so when evaluating an example this list will only tell you how early it might be. Until the 1936 catalog, there was no mention of thread color, not even the first year. All catalogs from there on listed it with B&O jasper.
The 1942 catalog, the last one listing the...

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (jeffkn1) — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:15:26 GMT

I'm not sure Jordan deserves much credit for thread color patterns on the South Bends. I suspect that was Marketing's decision. When left to his own devices at Orvis he went pretty monochromatic.
He was a big proponent of varnish color variations though, beginning at Cross and extending a bit into South Bend years, where he fooled a bit with surface flaming. Ultimately common sense, and profit sense, won over.

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (jhcoffeebum) — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:43:13 GMT

Sal,
I like the wraps on your rod, it's another link to Wes Jordan continuing on with designs began at Winchester. Early South Bends are a thread that needs more exploring in my eyes. The early rods with the German silver hardware, Cross Built rods and even later higher end SB rods are beautiful! Thanks for sharing those photos with me, I'm saving all the pictures of the different rods, models, wraps and lengths so that I can learn more and more. Michael Sinclair's...

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (Sal Fontinalis) — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:28:00 GMT

JH, the rod really cleaned up nicely. I was glad to see this post because I have a similar SB rod that is an 8' 3/2 4wt. Same style reel seat, winding check, etc. I had not seen a similar rod until now. The taper is really quite amazing and comparable to tapers from the higher end makers of the time. Mine has been restored but I believe the color scheme is original.

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (jhcoffeebum) — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:04:30 GMT

Here are the pictures I wanted, it just takes some talking to the internet pixies to get what you want! I could not replicate the scrip on the rods, the amber ink, so I changed the script altogether to balck and added my name and date. I plan on holding onto this rod!

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (jhcoffeebum) — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:46:39 GMT

bamboocollector11,
Your rod and mine are very similar. The only differance besides maybe length is the wraps. Mine has amber silks tipped in black. Here are some pictures after I've completed the butt section.

Woops seems I have a problem with uploads! I will add this then try again with another reply.

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (bamboocollector11) — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:10:37 GMT

Jeff,

Below are pictures of my rod. The ferrules appear to be Winchester grade hardware and the grip is slightly different towards the reel seat. The rod may have been re-wrapped a long time ago. My rod also features a swelled butt.

Ed

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (jeffkn1) — Sun, 31 May 2009 08:04:30 GMT

Ed
The hardware on mine is identical to the rod pictured above. There is a photo posting issue at the moment so I'll try again later.

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (bamboocollector11) — Sat, 30 May 2009 15:59:12 GMT

Jeff,

Is your female ferrule the same as the ferrule in the rod pictured or does it appear to be like that of a Winchester trade rod? I will post pictures of the rod I have sometime tomorrow; it appears to be re-wrapped.

Ed

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (jeffkn1) — Sat, 30 May 2009 14:26:31 GMT

Jack I have to go out for a while but will forward pix when I can. My has jasper (two-color striped) wraps so the pattern won't help on your rod, which is different.

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (jhcoffeebum) — Sat, 30 May 2009 13:38:57 GMT

jeffkn1,
Could you send me some pictures of your 25? I want to make sure my restore is accurate. I've ordered the burnt orange silks and have black on hand now. My rod doesn't have intermediates and no ghosting is apparent, so I'm assuming it didn't have them, am I correct? My guess is that the stripper is an agate? I've seen ns strippers on some SB'b but usually the older ones seem to be agate/garnix. If you could also give me an idea on the size of the...

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (jeffkn1) — Sat, 30 May 2009 12:11:51 GMT

Ed
The model 25 wasn't introduced until 1931, the same year Winchester sold their fishing line to H-I, and long after the separation from Winchester as a rod supplier. AFAIK, SB didn't buy components from Winchester.
I have a complete and full length 25 awaiting varnish at the moment. Mine has the same seat and winding check with orange/black jasper wraps.

Re: Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (bamboocollector11) — Fri, 29 May 2009 22:42:14 GMT

Your rod looks like the recent rod that sold on the unmentionable site with a short tip. I also was watching the rod because I have a similar 7 1/2' SB rod. The main differences between yours and mine are: wrap colors, mine has an intermediate approx. every 3", mine has Winchester grade "Edwards type" ferrules, and a swelled butt. I agree with you concerning the sliding band; it truly looks like a Winchester grade "Edwards type" band. The reason I wonder if they...

Need help! South Bend model 25 7 1/2' 2 piece

feeds@yuku.com (jhcoffeebum) — Fri, 29 May 2009 20:06:32 GMT

Is anyone familiar with this South Bend model? I just acquired one at what I think is a great price. The rod has some printing in a peach color ink above where the decal was. It says "EDW_R. DYGERT." as close as I can tell. I searched this name and found one listing in the May 1917 Ft. Plains N.Y. phone listing. Wild chance it would be this guy though. I am looking into the silks for the restore and a replacement garnix (agate) stripper guide. Luckly I have Michael...