anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (Whitefish Press) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:46:07 GMT

Just got a correction from Hoagy. His groundbreaking work has recently surpassed the 22,000 mark--still an incredible achievement, having been in print since its launch. And that doesn't even touch on its influence; think of how many copies have been loaned from libraries, friends, etc. The influence of Hoagy and Everett's book is enormous.

The point of my even bringing this up was that if that many people were interested in what remains a seminal work on advanced...

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (Soft Hackle) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:51:00 GMT

I have no idea how many collector/accumulator types there are but if I had to guess I would think around the same numbers and perhaps even age ranges that have read a lot of Gierach's work. Hard to read a few of his books and not develop a curiosity about fishing bamboo. I do know there seem to be a lot of buyers for whatever Classic tackle I find on our favorite auction site. Anything I am interested in from Heddons to Hardys seem to get bid up pretty good. Many of the current makers I...

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (ARTHURK) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:46:46 GMT

Hi Jeffkn,

OOPs!! I'm realising that my little stack of older and newer sticks aren't worth two hoots historically. I deeply admire your efforts to record pre 1990 rods and know I'm way out my league posting here but I'll try.

To me, history is static in some sense but is often revealed as a record of totally human (aka 'normal') activities with the mystique of time cleaned off as we delve more into the day to day forces that caused...

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (pcg) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:54:20 GMT

"One remarkable son of a gun, this
thread, huh?"

Truly.

Thanks to Chartist for getting the energy going.

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (BlackHillsBill) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:27:05 GMT

Beats me. Once I saw it. Now I don''t.
However, such magic hereabouts is not
entirely unprecedented. I hate to think I
bring it on anyone but myself. The power of
abracadabra has to be a staggering responsiblity.
(Hey! I just punched one key and now we're
both afloat drifting like arcane ephemera
in cyberspace. Bygones, okay, CWood?)

Thanks. One remarkable son of a gun, this
thread, huh?

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (cwood) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:05:42 GMT

Don't leave us anytime soon, Bill. I've enjoyed your posts for quite a while now and glad to see your're back in action.

That was supposed to be my attempt at humor...... was never known as a funny guy. What happened to that post anyway? I don't think it was offensive to anyone, was it? That one statement was the only thing in the post that may have been taken badly, and I've said much worse with no complaints. I even added a little smile face to show it...

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (Whitefish Press) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:31:59 GMT

jeffkn1 wrote:
IMHO, there is a historical component or basis for collecting but history is a hard sell to younger people; history is static, youth is dynamic and the two have always seemed to me to be diametrically opposed.

As someone who has been teaching college "youth" about history for 15 years (since I was 25), I think I can speak from a bit of experience here. I've had many students who...

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (DrakeBob) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:27:50 GMT

Thanks, Jeff. I understand now and we're probably a lot closer on most of what you've said than either of us thought. Your criterion for your collection... No collection of mine will be based on the fact that somebody 'did something well'. Did they contribute anything to the advancement of rod building? is an excellent one and perhaps even one to aspire to. I might stumble a bit on what is truly an "advancement," e.g., did Jim Payne advance rod building...

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (cwood) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:15:37 GMT

I think Jeffkn1's statements are pretty true for collecting rods. The general use of bamboo rods I believe has a rich man/poor man component, but that's not the whole story. Shoot, fly fishing is general is seen as a snooty, rich, white mans sport with the cane rod fisherman at the top. That's the common view anyway.

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (jeffkn1) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:29:04 GMT

Bob
No, you aren't being argumentative. You made me realize I failed to explain my point adequately.
So far I haven't seen anything to contradict my belief that as far as bamboo goes, it's all over but the shouting; the real development has all taken place and now there's little left but fine tuning and adding a bit of performance and glitter. Your hypothetical is valid, though the long view I speak of looks at a longer view than that. No collection of mine will be...

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (recane1) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:58:05 GMT

BHB, no apology necessary. I can take a joke better than any one. Hell, my last name is Wiener. Ya think I have been the butt of a joke or two? I learned early on about wise cracks.

Bob, I think you may be right about the redundancy issue. Some times when I have a question about something, I just search the old posts and usually find what I am looking for.

Bow river, I think that's great that you are taking that young man for a day on the stream. I have tried doing...

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (DrakeBob) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:47:40 GMT

jeffkn1, I need to ask a question of you and I hope this doesn't come off as me being argumentative or a smart arse (after all, Bill thinks I'm not and I'm going to try hard to live up to that image). I'm just really trying to understand where you're coming from. So... let's take "a suppose"...

Suppose I'm 40 years old and have some disposable income. How much disposable income is irrelevant - I'm going to buy rods I can afford. And I...

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (jeffkn1) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:24:23 GMT

Fishing bamboo can be of interest to anglers of any age, as The Movie made us aware. Collecting bamboo rods is more generational. Collecting involves the study of history, which the younger set usually goes out of its way to avoid. The Movie sold the romance and beauty of fly fishing by employing beautiful actors and had Brad Pitt's role been played by Louie Depalma, it would have rocketed into obscurity.
I worked in sporting goods, primarily fishing tackle, from 1973 to...

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (bow river) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:53:30 GMT

this is such a good topic ,
i think the bamboo world is going to grow , same as this site is only going to grow with more an more new members each day , i'm always telling everyone about this site , yes i don't see many people on the river fishing with bamboo rods , compared to plastic sticks , yet when on the river do you really look for guys who have a bamboo rod in there hands , '' not me'' i seen last year about about 8 guys fishing with bamboo in parking lots...

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (BlackHillsBill) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:52:32 GMT

Aaron, I apologize for cracking wise about why some of the old
contributors have faded. You were very observant about that
and about why we fish. Bob, who has a remarkable sense of
humor which has whole bushels of New England dry wit, is
just wise. He doesn't have to crack wise. He's right about
redundancy wearing us out and about how to recover from it:
by explaining to new members the old stuff and getting a lift
ourselves from the...

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (pcg) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:31:16 GMT

BHB, the Davis connection with a flugelhorn was news to me. I've clearly been guilty of just listening to the music. A musicologist, I am not. :-)

Dr. Todd, sorry to impose the burden of age on your 40 years. My conclusion can only be that you're wise beyond your years.

And as Bob graciously suggests, "back to the topic at hand..."!

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (DrakeBob) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:16:54 GMT

Aaron, I think another of the reasons that you see people fade from the forum here is that over time, topics and discussions tend to get recycled. Sometimes they look a bit different but they are basically the same. This is also very much what goes on in the fly fishing magazines. I've often thought that with 2 to 3 years of any magazine subscription, you've pretty much got it covered... unless, of course, you're interested in keeping up with the latest in rod technology......

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (freestoner) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:19:33 GMT

Chet Baker liked the flugelhorn, too.

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (BlackHillsBill) — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:12:37 GMT

I'm in favor of youth, too, Pat, although it might be too good
a thing to squander on men under forty. Therefore I don't try
overmuch to curry their favor. Age is just a single criterion, old
or young, funny or not. I guess you mean that it is funny to use
anywhere else as a criterion, except say on applications for
"entitlements." So I try not to, though I get a little testy admittedly
over ageist jokes. Maturity is a...

Re: anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (Whitefish Press) — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:26:29 GMT

Pat, you're making me feel old, since I just turned 40.

-- Dr. Todd

anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

feeds@yuku.com (Chartist1) — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:49:34 GMT

last fall and winter I made quite a few trips to fish steelhead between Cleveland and Erie, pa. I used a John Pickard Texan each time. On no trip did I see another fisherman using a bamboo rod for steelhead, and I saw a lot of fisherman. Now you can buy a nice bamboo rod for steelhead for not a lot of money, yet no one seems to be doing it. Geez, I wonder if it's because bamboo is so much heavier to carry, etc......Now I don't think it's far fetched to extrapolate my...