Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (Battenkiller) — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:46:30 GMT

tedgolden wrote:
Ed, your question is somewhat personal in nature and I can only speak for myself. I find that some older rods have acquired the characteristic of mystic potency. Such a quality is not easily acquired and some rods have more than others. As you might imagine, any rod starts in life with a zero balance. Older rods have a longer period in which to acquire mystic potency and those which withstand the tests of time...

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (mer) — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:42:57 GMT

Titelines wrote:

mer wrote:

Titelines wrote:
Well, there is always the question "What's the best 5 wt..."

Mark

Sage DS2...

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (Titelines) — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:09:12 GMT

mer wrote:

Titelines wrote:
Well, there is always the question "What's the best 5 wt..."

Mark

Sage DS2

Playing with Tupperware again, are we? ;-)

Mark

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (mer) — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:02:39 GMT

Titelines wrote:
Well, there is always the question "What's the best 5 wt..."

Mark

Sage DS2

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (Titelines) — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:57:32 GMT

Well, there is always the question "What's the best 5 wt..."

Mark

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (sharps4590) — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:53:54 GMT

The only dumb question is the one not asked. There is no such as a dumb question, only dumb answers...and there are many more quotes that state the same thought. I'm glad you asked the question and it appears to me you got some great responses.

For me, I prefer the old rods same as I prefer old rifles, handguns and bows. I'd like to try a new 'boo rod but quite honestly I can't, or won't, afford the cost required to play. My newest 'boo rod was made in 1978...

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (mer) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:12:28 GMT

Ed, you know anything about sailboats, wooden sailboats in particular or old wood/canvas canoes? If so, bamboo flyrods are similar: a well cared for vintage (not old ) one is no more prone to breakage than a brand spanking new one. Some wind up being collectible because of who made them, who fished them, etc, so they get treated more like an antique car: taken out once or twice a year and driven gently just because it feels so good...

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (ET flyrods) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:52:43 GMT

Wow never figured on all these comments and viewpoints. I guess the heart of my original quetion stemmed from my thinking that bamboo rods were flimsy and the older rods flexed and fished over the years made them subject to breakage. This again is because I'm new to boo and I've received enough opinions to rid my mind of those thoughts. I appreciate your taking the time to answer and educate this bamboo novice............Thanks again.......Ed

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (JimP) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:45:02 GMT

Well, I like Old rods AND New ones! I have pretty much decided to collect older T&T (30-40 years old) rods and, if I get a chance, I will buy a Jim Payne, rod which will be older than 50 years. As for new rods, T Zietak quadrates and Sweetgrass hexagonal rods are my preferences. There are lots of rods out there by old and new rod-makers that are wonderful and some duds as well. Read all you can and do not worry about older rods being any more fragile than new ones. If you are not careful...

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (OldCanerods) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:46:43 GMT

ET flyrods wrote:
Being new to Cane and new on this board ,..... I'm hoping I can ask the following question without getting anyone upset , so here goes. I know folks collect rods and fish old rods and I can appreciate that. I also know that there are a lot of very fine modern rod makers out there today that build classic and new taper rods and can appreciate that also. In my thinking I am wondering why anyone would fish a...

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (czkid) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:50:38 GMT

In the "old vs new" discussion there are some interesting aspects that may not have been totally "fleshed out" for our new member.

1) Many of our members have gravitated to the older rods because they have withstood the "test of time". Folks know what their characteristics are, and how they hold up, as well as how their value has tracked over the years. Being essentially of the collector mentality, even if they don't collect, our collective...

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (Boo) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:29:53 GMT

I'll go against the grain on this one as I prefer newer rods to older ones and here are reasons why...It's more difficult to find a older used rod without some type of issue whether it be sets in the tips, ridging of the cork, blemishes, dirty cork, loose ferrule, rods without the original sock and/or tubes, poor varnish etc. it goes on. Sure many are fishable but but generally they're missing something. Even if they are in excellent condition time takes it's toll on...

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (FrankB) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:19:21 GMT

One need look no further than the age of stringed instruments used by world-class professionals. The bows used by these pro's
often cost thousands, and the auction record is around $150,000! However, they do have the instruments cared for, and the
don't stand in the middle of a river waving them. As I stated in another post, a nearby shop owner fishes a rod that's...

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (Whitefish Press) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:18:23 GMT

Ed,

Welcome to the forum and I for one am glad you asked this question, as I'm always happy to see novice/beginning boo folk seeking out answers. Very few honestly asked questions on bamboo rods are bad questions, in my mind. I think perhaps a few of the answers came "on a little strong," as we might say, as you inadvertently wandered into a pretty passionate subject matter for many bamboo fly rod anglers. You could not have known that ahead of time. We've had a...

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (pcg) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:04:05 GMT

Glad you're going to stick around, Ed. At times it helps to have a thick skin, but that's simply because everyone is passionate about... well, whatever they're discussing! But be persistent & keep asking. It's a virtual encyclopedia around here.

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (ET flyrods) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:39:46 GMT

I have to tell you I was all but deceided not to return to this forum but maybe "I" misunderstood , especially after reading the latter posts. It appears there are some very sincere folks in here who took the time to answer a dummy's question without bringing bias or personal feeling into play. For that I thank you! Keep in mind folks , I am new to boo, and may ask some questions now and then that seem kind of stupid. I'm just trying to learn, and was told this is the...

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (levertonhatches) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:29:32 GMT

ET -- Thank you for asking your question. Certainly not a mistake -- it stimulated this excellent thread. I hope you'll hang around and ask some more good questions. Cheers,

(t.o.) Martin

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (teter) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:48:27 GMT

Ed,
I'm sure no one meant to offend you, but there might have been a touch of defensiveness in some answers; perhaps that's because we're accustomed to people looking at us with raised eyebrows. I happen to enjoy fishing old rods more than new, because I just like history and old things. Fly fishing is great; fly fishing with bamboo is even better, and fly fishing with a bamboo rod and reel that someone made decades ago is the best of all. To some of us, at least.
...

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (quashnet) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:40:02 GMT

Post-WWII was a time of great experimentation and bursts of creativity for American rod makers. Some may have made bad choices in materials, but overall there was a lot of good war surplus equipment and materials available for innovative workers to select and adapt for use in making great rods that still hold up very well. For example Paul Young, in his 1950 catalog, went out of his way to discuss the glue he was using in his rods, a glue that was strong enough to withstand immersion in...

Re: Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (Pete in Vermont) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:54:31 GMT

The 50 year old rod might be the wrong year to choose because the post WWII, 1946 to 1949 glue used by some of the well known makers has been known to separate. I'm sticking with my two favorite rods, one made in 1939 and the the other in 1940. Now, those 70-year-old rods are really tough. I just came in from lawn casting one and I'm going fishing tonight with it on the local river. The real reason a cane rod is made out of bamboo is that BAMBOO is NOT a wood. It is a PLANT and it...

Old vs New ?

feeds@yuku.com (ET flyrods) — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:36:14 GMT

Being new to Cane and new on this board ,..... I'm hoping I can ask the following question without getting anyone upset , so here goes. I know folks collect rods and fish old rods and I can appreciate that. I also know that there are a lot of very fine modern rod makers out there today that build classic and new taper rods and can appreciate that also. In my thinking I am wondering why anyone would fish a 50yr old cane rod or buy one "to fish" rather than buying a new one ?...