Step down ferrule confusion?

Re: Step down ferrule confusion?

feeds@yuku.com (JE Dempsey) — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:10:51 GMT

AJ
You are the MAN--------The voice of common sense and Knowledge
Jed

Re: Step down ferrule confusion?

feeds@yuku.com (OldCanerods) — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:08:54 GMT

oldfishbrain wrote:
A particular "thank you" to AJ for taking the time and effort to post his informative reply. I have already printed it out and filed it for future reference.

Re: Step down ferrule confusion?

feeds@yuku.com (oldfishbrain) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:56:51 GMT

A particular "thank you" to AJ for taking the time and effort to post his informative reply. I have already printed it out and filed it for future reference.

Re: Step down ferrule confusion?

feeds@yuku.com (Lewis B) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:53:02 GMT

Thanks folks, This is just the info I needed. Is there someone that knows of a book that might have lots of info on ferrules. I`m learning as I go and this site has been a great help, but I have alot to learn. Thanks again Lewis

Re: Step down ferrule confusion?

feeds@yuku.com (OldCanerods) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:25:34 GMT

The awful Montague coke-bottle or as I call them milk-bottle ferrules deserve their fame. However, I think that something was done at the factory to crack many of these ferrules. Don't know if it was lack of annealing of the brass after basic forming and/or if it involved some machine to ram the ferrules onto poorly matched ferrule stations. But so many of these ferrules were found to be cracked on unused rods. So I have wondered if properly installed that fewer would have cracked....

Re: Step down ferrule confusion?

feeds@yuku.com (Larry Swearingen) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:05:42 GMT

Fantastic AJ !
I was thinking " Oh crap, here we go again."
This thread or just AJ's reply should be put at the top as a "Stickie."
Now we just need a conventional NAME for each type of "step down" ferrule.
And a little drawing to go with each name.
For the Granger or Dickerson type of drawn ferrule that has the male bamboo
1/64" smaller than the female bamboo part I would suggest "Taper Step Ferrule."
Or...

Re: Step down ferrule confusion?

feeds@yuku.com (AJ Bamboo) — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:15:22 GMT

at the risk of offending the perpetually offended i offer a few points
1) there are at least 4 easily recognized types of 'step' ferrule(tubing,drawn,bar stock,montague)
2) there is at least 6 different materials possible(duronze,aluminum,nickel silver,brass,plated brass)
this should lead one to believe that 'step' ferrules is not a very specific term.

top quality rods are made with 'leonard' style that has the same basic diameter for both male...

Re: Step down ferrule confusion?

feeds@yuku.com (tapermaker) — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:49:18 GMT

i think the drop from one section to the other can be explained by it being an adjustment to make up for the stiffer ferrule area vs. the normal flex if this area was cane..by droping the diameter 10-15 thous. it seems to even out in practice.

Re: Step down ferrule confusion?

feeds@yuku.com (oldfishbrain) — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:43:58 GMT

Lewis B:
Tapemaker gave you proper advice. Without wanting to high-jack your thread, I have a couple of related questions that I thought you might want to hear answered:
1. I like the looks of stepdowns and use then in preference to the SS style. In discussions about stepdown ferrules I have heard the argument that they reduce the bamboo strength at the ferrule joint because you have to take down the bamboo in fitting it to the slide part of the male. How could that be, when in...

Re: Step down ferrule confusion?

feeds@yuku.com (tapermaker) — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:59:30 GMT

you reduce the end to fit into the smaller opening ,seating the ferrule station all the way to the bottom of the ferrule. you will notice that the ferrule is a tube within a tube.this means that the end of the lower smaller tube is slide into and soldered about 3/16th of an inch farther up the ferrule than the step on the outside so when marking the cane for the transition you will need to pay attention to the inside measurement.

Step down ferrule confusion?

feeds@yuku.com (Lewis B) — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:34:20 GMT

I read alot of archives and learned alot but I stiil got crosseyed and a head ache. I bought a kit from G.W. with stepdown ferrules. the openings for the cane on both male& female are the same measurement, but down inside the male the hole gets smaller (maybe 2/64th). Heres the question. do I taper the end of the cane to fit inside the smaller part and leave the outer part whole, or do I olny put the cane in as far as the first (bigger) hole. I hope I`m making not confusing anyone any...