The myth of parabolic actioned rods

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Flyman615		#21	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2900 09/16/2008 20:45	Interesting discussion, guys! As for me, after 35+ years of fly fishing I only recently "discovered" the delights of classic parabolic rods. Keep in mind, this comes from someone who previously preferred relatively "fast" tapers. But now, I regularly fish three Young clones (Para 14, Perfectionist and Driggs tapers) and a Gene Edwards 7' 10" "Para Taper" made for Charles Daly. I like'em all...a lot. But, take it from me, I've had no trouble making the transition. My casting style adapted readily to the parabolic rods. And frankly, but perhaps ironically, I now also find many of my Orvis rods display the same casting characteristics as the Young designs. Go figure! In short my experience has paralleled that described in TJ's original post. Years ago I had a fly fishing friend, many years my senior, who was a personal friend and good customer of Paul Young. He raved about PHY's rods and worshipped his early Para 15. My friend passed away some time back, but all I can say to him today is, "Mick...now I get it!" Your Black Hills pal, Scott Last Edited By: Flyman615 09/16/2008 20:48. Edited 1 time.
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bbamboo		#22	[url]	[-]
Posts: 91 09/17/2008 03:30	I think the only modification you need to make going from a fast rod to a parabolic is Avoid short snappy casts paras dont like it. Think more long and smooth. And avoid at any cost wrist snap. Keep the wrist rigid at all times and the line will fly out.
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wb4tjh		#23	[url]	[-]
Posts: 366 09/17/2008 09:47	Smoooooth....but forceful. Ask the rod to do the work, and it will. That's what I found out. I love the feel as the rod loads on the backcast, then releases on the forward stroke, and the line gains speed and flies toward the target and a perfect loop rolls out. It doesn't get any better than that. Fine flyrods can be made from different materials, but bamboo is the Benchmark against which all the rest are compared......
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bbamboo		#24	[url]	[-]
Posts: 92 09/17/2008 14:29	The two ways I find best to cast with the Parabolic are the high line high speed technique developed by Ritz for his parabolic rod designs and the Lefty kreh style. For what its worth.
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mmorris236		#25	[url]	[-]
Posts: 207 09/18/2008 08:41	bbamboo; Ultrafast rods do cast further, but like everything in life you must compromise. At the spey casting demo during the Catskill gathering Mr. Krista had a graphite competition casting rod. These are probably the fastest tapers you will ever see, to the point of absurdity. They are basically a lever with a spring loaded tip. Any idiot (and I say that because this any idiot could) could cast that rod a country mile, and then some. Problem is, after you lay out 150 feet of line or so, the rod is just a 2x4. You would never want to fish with it but it could lay out 150' of line with surprising ease. On the other end of the spectrum was "stick-o-rod" (patent pending) introduced at the Catskill Rod Gathering, a switch cut from a tree in one of the attendees front yards, with a 7 weight reel taped to one end and snakes and a tip top made of bent paper clips taped on with electrical tape. To describe this rod as whippy would be generous. To describe it as straight would be proof of your overindulgence on the prior evening. As a lark this rod was cast along with the finalists in the casting competition. For distance it beat 2 of the 3 bamboorods with a long cast of 87' 6". That was all caster, no doubt about it. Check out the pictures here http://www.canerod.com/ga.../Catskill2008Photos5.html they are near the bottom of the page.
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bulldog1935		#26	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6104 09/18/2008 10:02 Bulldog1935	no one is going to get mad at you for touting TCR. They will get mad at you for claiming they were comparing TCRs to cane rods. It was the personalities that were being compared. The people who like their TCRs will most likely not like a parabolic cane rod. fair enough Last Edited By: bulldog1935 09/18/2008 12:06. Edited 1 time.
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bbamboo		#27	[url]	[-]
Posts: 95 09/18/2008 12:03	Hi mmorris236 Yes I agree Fast action carbon rod do cast further no dout about it But at what expense? Hi bulldog1935 Sorry about the TCR bit I was only using it as a standard. And yes I agree people who like the TCR or any fast action rod will not really go for a parabolic.
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wb4tjh		#28	[url]	[-]
Posts: 370 09/18/2008 13:14	I know that after a day of fishing saltwater with a faster actioned graphite rod, I really have to change my frame of mind to cast a bamboo or glass rod. It just forces you to slow down and let the rod do more of the work. It's also a lot less work for me. I spend 3 or 4 hours double hauling one of my 9 foot 8 or 9 weight fast tipped graphites, and I'm tired....I can go all day with a glass or bamboo and not feel as pooped. In fact, I have begun using lighter rods, including glass for a lot of my saltwater fishing when the wind is not up. I only have one bamboo that I might consider for salt...but have not used it that way....yet. That's my Dickerson 8014 rod made by Tapermaker. Fine flyrods can be made from different materials, but bamboo is the Benchmark against which all the rest are compared......
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bulldog1935		#29	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6107 09/18/2008 14:10 Bulldog1935	I would like to see photos of that rod - Dennis does nice work.
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trouting	wrist snap or no	#30	[url]	[-]
Posts: 333 09/19/2008 13:13	I love my 5wt Perfectionist taper by AJ Thramer (inspired by the specific Perfectionist rod that Young made for his wife, Martha, not to be confused with his taper named after her). I find it interesting to read that one should not cast parabolic rods with a wrist snap. I think this taper is not as parabolic in feel as the para 14, so perhaps this explains my experience, but I find, on the contrary, that an exaggerated wrist snap is called for just at the right time in the forward stroke. This isn't as snappy and short as with a progressive action, so maybe 'snap' is the wrong word, it feels to me like a wrist snap in slow motion.
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bbamboo		#31	[url]	[-]
Posts: 98 09/19/2008 14:46	Nice to here your experiences of the rod and about your casting style. This is the way I see it (shoot me down) The perfectionist by the way great rod. One of my favourites It's not really a full parabolic action so to speak so that's why I think it works with your slow wrist snap style of casting. But if you cast with a short power stroke and wrist snap on a Para 14 or one of the pezon & michel extreme parabolics carrying a long line all you would get is a tail and a whole bundle of line at your feet. Really any rod will cast a short line with only the wrist because in effect you are only developing line speed with the tip section. Its when you load the rod deep the Parabolic needs to be cast slow and smooth I cannot really explain it better I am one of those guys that can show it better than I can explain it to you. Maybe a casting clip would help on Youtube.?
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fishbates	being vunerable	#32	[url]	[-]
Posts: 128 09/19/2008 21:06	well i confess i sold a pezon because i had trouble casting the rod and i am a competent caster, as i can cast most any rod i ever had, 100+ with no problem, what i found out after she was gone was i needed to slow way down on the rod, somehow i think we or at least me thought you had to casted it faster, so i think that when you live far away from other bamboo nuts as i do you dont have someone to come over a say hey stupid slow down, now i know and hope to get another one some time to try out dave
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RonsRods		#33	[url]	[-]
Posts: 507 09/24/2008 08:38	Flycasting 101: Accelerating forward to a stop. Parabolics can be cast as fast or as slow as you want, just make sure your accelation speed forward and stopping point remain consistent. Most casters who have trouble with Parabolics seem to be "drifting" with the back cast, ie letting their arm drift back a bit and their elbow straighten out. Fine with a graphite or a tip action rod. Best remedy if you can't break the habit is a little forward haul to correct the loop as it comes back. Too many people use the word slow which will translate in some minds to "soft" which isn't the case at all. Paras have plenty of "a$$" in them and can be pushed pretty hard when needed. Once you get passed about 50' on any action rod you are going to have issues if you don't keep your timing in tune with the action. I usually hum a song in my head and slow it down as I cast. Can't speak to casts over 100 feet, but 40-60 this works well for me.
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