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 eric baylis |
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Posts: 27 09/24/2008 18:55 |
heres a good topic on proper release, it matters not the species of the fish, or if it is four inches, or forty pounds. have a look.
www.asf.ca scroll down and click on live release, lots of info there.best wishes. Eric Baylis. |
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Shoeless Joe |
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Posts: 842 09/24/2008 19:14 |
Hardy Guy wrote:... and by God, don't forget about those damn chain link fences -- take em down if you got 'em!!!!! 
Man-0'-War ~ B-17F-10-BO #41-24486 306th BG/367th BS ~ A/K/A, "The Reich Wreckers" Lost to AAA on 09-Nov-42 with 11 KIA |
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seattlesetters |
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Posts: 362 09/24/2008 19:25 |
I rarely photograph fish, preferring to release them ASAP. However, a few momentos are OK by me, and when I do take snapshots, I don't remove the fish from
the water, try and have the fish ready to be released, then take a quick pic keeping the fish's gills in the water. Of course, fish like to move around, so
it doesn't always work out. When it does, it looks something like this:
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quashnet |
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Posts: 2174 09/24/2008 19:58 Moderatus Muscae |
I always liked the way this photo turned out, and I have no doubt that the fish fully recovered.
As you say, it doesn't always work out. That's when I have to resist the urge to take multiple photos, and instead go to work on catching another fish.
Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of 340 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories,
etc. Thank you to all who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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BigTJ |
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Posts: 542 09/24/2008 20:17 |
I agree with the original poster. This isn't about whether or not catching fish harms them, it's about minimizing damage and being responsible when
fishing catch and release. Even when bonking fish, it doesn't hurt to treat them with respect. Many fish photos are taken without thought to the
ramifications post-release due to how the fish is handled in the photo. It's up to all of us as responsible sportsmen to do the best we can. Things like
stuffing fingers in the gills, holding fish out of water for many minutes, or throwing a fish up on a dirt bank are good places to start when talking about
what shouldn't be done in fish photos. Glory shots with 27 different angles of the same fish and showing off aren't my cup of tea either but I guess to
each his own.
I haven't read through the entire thread but one thing to also consider that in many states with catch and release regs (CA, Oregon, Washington) removing fish from the water is against the law. Of course it's not going to be enforced, but what this says is that the fish and game department want to protect the resource, so they are asking us to keep the fish in the water. I don't think it's too much to ask of us, so we should all do the right thing. Bottom line - keep the fish in the water if you can. If you have to pull it out of the water, make it quick. It's not that hard to take photos in a way that increase the chances for the fish to survive, and you can still get that great photo. Is that really too much to ask? I don't think so. PS take a look at my avatar. This is my favorite angle to photograph fish. It includes the angler, and the rod, but keeps him anonymous, which in my mind is a nice way not to show off. The fish's head is kept under water, and the fish is kept in about 1 foot of water, but the body is held just in the film. The colors are rich, if the fish is dropped the fish is fine and doesn't get hurt, and the fish can breathe during the photo. The only catch is you need a fishing buddy to take the photo.
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Posts: 6134 09/24/2008 22:52 Bulldog1935 |
Bob, I like the way your photo turned out, too.
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ttrotter |
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Posts: 731 09/25/2008 08:41 Moderator |
I am really enjoying this thread and look forward to others posting their methods of "no harm" photography.
I have a few personal rules including barbless hooks, use of a "ketchum release" tool, and never netting a fish unless necessary to prevent further harm to it. I also never photo a fish of my own, but have a buddy do it if I want a photo, which is rare! The fish always stays in the water, gently cradled (but free to leave at the fish's will) until the photographer says "ok, now". At that time, the fish is lifted out still cradled and the photo is snapped- once! Sometimes you get a decent shot, mostly not. I think respect for the fish (as has been mentioned in this thread) is my guiding principle. The photo is just a bonus if you are lucky enough to get it. Ketchum release 
Cradling (with all parts touching the fish being sopping wet) 
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bulldog1935 |
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Posts: 6135 09/25/2008 09:54 Bulldog1935 |
I don't know Tom, that first photo makes you look a bit like the salmonid Vlad Dracula.
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bow river |
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Posts: 706 09/25/2008 09:54 |
very nice picture's tom , i'm also a big believer in the use of bigger nets so the fish has lots of room while resting and also he's not doubled in
half , it's fine to bring them out of the water for a few seconds to take a picture , have camera ready , wet hands , pick up the fish ,
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the water , if done right your talking about maybe 3 seconds , the biggest thing with me is to give the fish time in the net to recoup befor letting him go , i
like the bigger catch & release net with the rubber net , not the mesh net ,
and i always try to have them resting in the net facing into the water , it's very hard on them if the water is forced backways into the gills , sometimes it takes a few mins to get them good and strong , you'll know when there ready as they will try to climb out of the net , big salmon i hold them by the tail facing up stream , i don't like when i see guy moving them back and forth in the water as i think the water is going back into the gills again the wrong way , i think it chocks em out
Richard
Check out my web site for vintage reels & rods , guided float trips on canada's # 1 best trout river http://bowriveradventures.googlepages.com/home |
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spruce grouse |
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Posts: 1109 09/25/2008 10:54 |
Reminds me of a few years ago when Lawrence (Trouting) and I were fishing the Salmon River (NY) for steelhead after Thanksgiving. We were working a nice long
pool when a guide and his "sports" came floating right through where we were fishing (there was plenty of room to go around us) with their hardware.
One of the guys hooked a nice steelie and the guide parked the boat below Lawrence. The fish was landed and to add insult to injury the guy proceeded to lip
the fish for a good 30 seconds while his picture was taken and then he threw the fish back in the water. Not all catch and releases are created equal.
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bulldog1935 |
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Posts: 6136 09/25/2008 11:12 Bulldog1935 |
the story that gets repeated in our tailwater is the overly-excited novice that left his camera in the truck.
His first 20-inch rainbow. He carried the fish up to the truck, dropping it a couple of times, photographed it, dropped it again on the way back to the river, then "released" the fish. |
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pvansch1 |
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Posts: 3973 09/25/2008 11:46 Moderator |
We had a kid (well teenager) at the lake club this summr do that after being told several times to put the 3 or 4lb Large Mouth back in the water. It died,
floated dead around the boat dock for a day or two.
Pete
Fishing in the rain! |
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bulldog1935 |
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Posts: 6137 09/25/2008 13:56 Bulldog1935 |
dead trout don't float
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8xtippet |
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Posts: 3 09/25/2008 23:14 |
I avoid the controversy completely. I no longer bring a camera, and do not eat any fish I catch. I am happiest if they get off the hook by their own efforts.
I'm in the minority, i think. dave |
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Posts: 218 09/25/2008 23:23 |
I grieve any time I release a hurt fish. Fortunately, at least to my best knowledge, tht is rare.
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Posts: 382 09/25/2008 23:34 |
I posted some pics today of a couple of rainbows I caught on my last day on the upper Dolores. My fish pictures are almost always bad as everything is hurried to get the fish back in the water asap. However, even though I believe those fish are fine and dandy as I type this, this thread has made me aware that this is a bad practice and I will make an effort to limit the handling of a fish and will not take another photo of a fish on land. I appreciate the advise! Good thread. How come it's in the Classic Reels forum? Matt |
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ttrotter |
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Posts: 733 09/26/2008 06:44 Moderator |
"How come it's in the Classic Reels forum?",
Matt, paobably because of the post titled "classic reels at work". |
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whatsleft2 |
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Posts: 654 09/27/2008 10:05 |
My beautiful samoyed husky Chan used to go fishing with me..........so many years ago now.........and occasionally I would toss him a small rainbow I
caught...he loved nothing better than to eat the fish while it was alive......squirming on the bank...........I did feel bad about it sometimes.....maybe I
should have hit them over the head first.....the trout.....not my dog........!! |
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ttrotter |
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Posts: 735 09/27/2008 10:32 Moderator |
whatsleft2, in a lot of watersheads these days, some would applaude you and Chan for killing any rainbow! SF of the Snake comes to mind. Same goes for other
salmonoids not native to a particular watershead.
It would be interesting to know how other forum members feel about this often controversial subject. |
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Posts: 6142 09/27/2008 11:12 Bulldog1935 |
I am certainly for the natives. In the Texas hill country, endemic Guadalupe bass should be a threatened species. Widespread stocking of smallmouth in the
'70s didn't consider the possibility of interbreeding. The endemic bass are extinct in the Blanco river drainage. There are two A-strains left in two
isolated creeks, Johnson Creek and Cibolo Creek. The state's response to save the state fish is hatcheries and to flood the headwaters of the Guadalupe
River with stocked endemic Guadalupe bass, and to stock the fish westward where there were no native bass species.
The one bass I can remember filleting was a 4-lb. copper-red smallmouth I caught in the middle Guadalupe. Cibolo Creek native 
22" endemic Guadalupe bass caught and released right where she belongs, living between a waterfall and the mouth of a bat cave I would not consider offering her to a state hatchery in exchange for a record title 
One of that native western long ears, used to being the baddest boys on the block they have refined their aggression displays and markings to a fantastic art. When hooked up, they flare their gills and shake their bodies to intimidate you. 
to show you how individual strains vary, this is a long-ear strain from an isolated creek that runs 20 miles above ground then pours back into the aquifer 
and the same species in the Guadalupe headwaters 
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