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fishbates		#41	[url]	[-]
Posts: 58 10/26/2008 15:10	considering the prices of other equally nice rods (spittlers, greys, and Jennings rods, not in any particular order) Per or his clients have certainly done plenty to advertise and elevate his prices, I like Brandin rods, but i think there are other builders of equal talent, and their prices are all over the map. If one only builds a few rods and then every one wonders how nice they are the prices will go up, its simply supply and demand. I dont think dana's or spittler rods have got the same push as Per's and so he is in the front. And for Gillums or Garrisions, they are the rods to buy right now (my opinion) as you can get one for a fair price, JUst look back at langs last year. I have a 8' gillum i like as much as my Brandin rod if not more depending on the situation i am fishing. If Pers rods start selling for 7-8 mine just might be for sale.
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jz2		#42	[url]	[-]
Posts: 159 10/26/2008 15:42	Brandin has loyal followers (I'm one), but he does nothing to actively solicit the accolades that go to him. He just makes quality, innovative bamboo flyrods. I think the field is wide open for contemporary makers to become the next Brandin (or Payne, Edwards, Gillum, Powell, Garrison - or pick one of a dozen others). It takes an obsessive dedication to the art, and an intuitive understanding of what makes a great casting and fishing flyrod, and then 20 or so years of production. The top fly rod makers aren't handed their fame. they earn it.
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firehole		#43	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3529 10/26/2008 15:42 Local user	Dave, His newsletter on his website is current since it reflects my meeting with him and others on the Fork in Aug 2008(after no more orders) whether he's updated his pricing who knows. Dennis
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seattlesetters		#44	[url]	[-]
Posts: 410 10/26/2008 15:45	jz2 wrote: Brandin has loyal followers (I'm one), but he does nothing to actively solicit the accolades that go to him. He just makes quality, innovative bamboo flyrods. I think the field is wide open for contemporary makers to become the next Brandin (or Payne, Edwards, Gillum, Powell, Garrison - or pick one of a dozen others). It takes an obsessive dedication to the art, and an intuitive understanding of what makes a great casting and fishing flyrod, and then 20 or so years of production. The top fly rod makers aren't handed their fame. they earn it. Well stated. I'm certain there are other forces at play here, but this sums it up nicely.
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creakycane		#45	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1871 10/26/2008 15:58	fishbates wrote: considering the prices of other equally nice rods (spittlers, greys, and Jennings rods, not in any particular order) Per or his clients have certainly done plenty to advertise and elevate his prices, I like Brandin rods, but i think there are other builders of equal talent, and their prices are all over the map. If one only builds a few rods and then every one wonders how nice they are the prices will go up, its simply supply and demand. I believe that sums the situation up nicely. Everyone takes a different road and limited numbers certainly drive the prices up and feed the froth - by "froth", I mean people going on how great particular rods are, without having ever owned, or maybe never cast, one. That's a good trick ,and my hat is off to makers who reach such a level of......well... such a reputation. Last Edited By: creakycane 10/26/2008 19:49. Edited 2 times.
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ibookje		#46	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1339 10/26/2008 16:09	Come on guys, rod prices in the range of Brandin are NOT fishing rods at all. Even though one saves up all the money one can to buy a 4000-8000 Dollar rod, you're probably too scared to fish to get a scratch, a set or god forbid break the rod. It's just an investment and this part I hate about boo... Jay
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Soft Hackle		#47	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1129 10/26/2008 16:58	Interesting stuff, especially when I think how I have been reluctant to fish a couple of my lightly used rarer Heddon models. They are worth less than an eighth of what the Brandin went for. I guess I have to loosen up, hopefully next season. On the stream I still think a Heddon, Granger, Thramer, Jenkins and many others will perform as well as a Gillum, Garrison, Brandin etc. These kind of prices probably have nothing to do with one's desire to fish a Brandin rod . I to wonder what it will be worth in a few years, not to mention the value in 30 years or whenever Per is no longer building.
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PYochim		#48	[url]	[-]
Posts: 406 10/26/2008 17:30	fishbates wrote: I like Brandin rods, but i think there are other builders of equal talent, and their prices are all over the map. Amen to that! And the waiting times are more reasonable. Last Edited By: PYochim 10/26/2008 17:58. Edited 1 time.
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David Dornblaser		#49	[url]	[-]
Posts: 186 10/26/2008 17:34	Interesting that there are a number of comments in this thread that appear to make the assumption that rod prices will keep going up. Didn't we just see this in the real estate, commodities; and, stock markets? If nothing else, this thread has helped me confirm my choice of maintaining a small quiver of rods that are fishing sticks. - David www.UpperMidwestFlyFishing.com - fly fishing in the Upper Midwest. Spring Creeks to Smallies to Steelhead.
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fishbates		#50	[url]	[-]
Posts: 59 10/26/2008 18:15	I fish all my rods, do i run through the woods with one, well i leave that for others to think of, yes these are investments, but what i like is i can play with my investment, and have fun, i realize there are those of you who buy just for investment, but i do both, im not rich, i just like nice things, bamboo being one of them
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poudre1		#51	[url]	[-]
Posts: 177 10/26/2008 18:42	David Dornblaser wrote: Dave, I don't think those prices are current. I don't believe that Per's website has been updated since he stopped taking orders. - David David, these are the prices he told when I was deciding on which rod I wanted. See my recent thread, just received a letter from Per Brandin. Dave
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David Dornblaser		#52	[url]	[-]
Posts: 187 10/26/2008 19:46	Dave, OK, that's good to hear. - David www.UpperMidwestFlyFishing.com - fly fishing in the Upper Midwest. Spring Creeks to Smallies to Steelhead.
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Alaric11		#53	[url]	[-]
Posts: 44 10/26/2008 20:30	Interesting that there are a number of comments in this thread that appear to make the assumption that rod prices will keep going up. Didn't we just see this in the real estate, commodities; and, stock market I'll have you know I shorted Amazon.com during the last bubble. I do think it is likely that 100 years from now (my assertion) that rods will be worth significantly more than they are now. I think this will be in part due to the fact that bamboo fly rods are crossing the threshold from functional craft objects to works of craft art---like shaker furniture. I often find that people in these online fora often misinterpret or misunderstand the remarks of others. In my case it may well be that I expressed myself poorly so allow me to restate my point which was NOT an economic one. (1) I fish bamboo and I have no interest in collecting. I have absolutely NO interest in money, prices, things monetary or reducing beautiful works of functional craft to cash values. (2) My whole point was that Mr Brandin is a remarkable and unique maker who doesn't give a damn about marketing his rods (in the semi-pejorative sense). He would pursue his passion regardless of the whims of the marketplace. His rods are valued by some because of their intrinsic worth not because of some marketing facade thrown up around them. So, I did not intend to enter the fray on the merits of $8,000, but on Mr Brandin's merit as a maker. Alaric
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16 pmd		#54	[url]	[-]
Posts: 593 10/26/2008 23:29	I have made a long post in the past about why I think Per Brandin is a very rare, if not unique, talent among rodmakers today so I won't repeat it. I will just say I have owned rods made by some of the old masters - Payne, Leonard, Carlson, Dickerson, Thomas, E.W. Edwards, E. C. Powell, Howells, Winston (Merrick) and others - and I wouldn't trade any Per Brandin rod I own to get any of them. I've also owned or at least cast rods By Gray, Aroner, Reams, Harms, Bob Taylor, Spittler, Summers, Jenkins, Jennings and many other fine current makers and don't think their rods are quite up to the level of Brandins either. I couldn't disagree more with those who think Per's reputation is just smoke and mirrors and his prices just the result of some artificial inflating of demand or shrinking of supply. I think those who believe they can get a Brandin-quality rod for $1,000 or so are just kidding themselves or haven't inspected and cast a Brandin to see the differences. Whether they are worth $8-9,000 or even the current price from Per ($3-4,000) is another question, but those rods didn't get into the upper end of the price spectrum because of fancy marketing or artificial hype.
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mosquito	Brandin/Morgan Rod	#55	[url]	[-]
Posts: 65 10/27/2008 05:42	Just to set the record straight! To bring things back into perspective, if you look at the bidding history of this particular Brandin/Morgan rod (and I think it should be called as such, not just a Brandin Rod) there were two lone, high, bidders each eager to have this particular rod in their impressive collections (I know both bidders, and have talked to the losing bidder). The fact that it was a Brandin rod is great and nice but one fails to understand the historical significance of this particular rod (Per Brandin made this rod for Tom Morgan, and Tom is not in good health!!) this rod is not representative of all Brandin rods or current prices. Put the Brandin/Morgan rod on the market without the Tom Morgan factor and you will find a sale price of around 5-6 Thousand dollars. Any of you want to test the market please do so. I know a dealer who has a used, no frills, regular production, Brandin rod currently of the market for $8500 (it used to be on the market for 5800 before the sale of the Brandin/Morgan rod) and certainly no Tom Morgan significance. Good Luck. Lets see how long it sits there. Brandin is a great builder no doubt and has earned a reputation as such, but I wouldnt get too excited or inflate too many egos here. Look at this particular Brandin/Morgan rod as being extremely unique and one of a kind, a rod that any deep pocket collector, particullarly these two bidding collectors find highly desirable. The rarity of the Brandin/Morgan rod set the selling price and is again not a representative price guide for all Brandin rods. Best Regards, KM Last Edited By: mosquito 10/27/2008 05:49. Edited 3 times.
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Soft Hackle		#56	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1131 10/27/2008 06:59	I can't imagine in what tangible way a Brandin could be superior to a Jenkins, Jennings, Gray , Spittler etc. in terms of craftsmanship, fittings, finish etc. I have handled a Brandin and owned a Jenkins , I just don't see it. I have rods by John Channer and Dave Male and the cane work on each is a good as any rods I have seen or owned including a Spittler and Aroner. I just don't see any difference other than each maker has perhaps a " look" that can be distinguished easilly.. Now If it is the tapers then that is another thing and very subjective. I fish mostly Heddons for that reason. Last Edited By: Soft Hackle 10/27/2008 07:10. Edited 1 time.
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jz2		#57	[url]	[-]
Posts: 160 10/27/2008 11:53	you say po-tay-toe. I say pah-tah-toe let's call this whole thread off.
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pvansch1		#58	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4044 10/27/2008 13:17 Moderator	jz2 wrote: you say po-tay-toe. I say pah-tah-toe let's call this whole thread off. No, it's SPUD!! Pete Fishing in the rain!
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MontyMontana		#59	[url]	[-]
Posts: 382 10/27/2008 13:21	jz2 wrote: you say po-tay-toe. I say pah-tah-toe let's call this whole thread off. Nice thought, but it will never happen...to many have to have the last word. Your Signature ... I fish via our criminal justice system..."Catch and release"
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newtobamboo2		#60	[url]	[-]
Posts: 86 10/27/2008 13:53	Well lets for the sake of this, Think about why he purchased it. I would say long term investment. If you look at the buyers recent auctions. It appears he may very well be a high end mechanic. Its all tools. Or he resales them or what ever. But no recent fly fishing stuff. mark.computershop (at) gmail.com
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