I pulled these pictures off of an auction that ended a couple weeks back. I've never seen a Perfect where the brass rivets didn't show. What gives?
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What's the deal with this Perfect?
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Posts: 103 11/09/2008 20:50 Moderator |
Hmmm... Do you mean why are the rivets not brass, or where are the rivets altogether? If the latter, I think I can see silver rivets in this pic:
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Posts: 1785 11/09/2008 23:00 Admin |
Agreed. They appear almost as ghosts, but they're there.
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Posts: 6308 11/09/2008 23:21 Bulldog1935 |
probably because the reel has been polished up, blending the ends of the brass pins and lightening the metal color.
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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Posts: 562 11/09/2008 23:51 |
I can see the ghost marks now, I have to turn down the brightness on my monitor to see them.
Ron, how in the heck can you polish brass and make it a silvery alloy color? I've polished brass and all I get is a shiny gold brass color. Also, I've never seen this era Perfect without the bullseye ring around the center rivet. |
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Posts: 293 11/10/2008 16:34 |
MB-
I've got an old 3-7/8 Perfect that belonged to Frank Steel, apparently a well known fisherman and flycaster from the 30's (I think). The reel, although it works perfectly (no pun intended) had obviously seen heavy use. The handle had been relocated on the winding plate and the original hole in-filled and the brass rivets replaced with aluminum ones, presumably to fix or replace a worn gear. I can see how polishing out the winding plate with the aluminum rivets would yield a similar result to the photos, although it must take a heck of a lot of polishing to eliminate the "bulls-eye." |
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Posts: 662 11/11/2008 01:27 |
I have seen this before on a perfect.............quite unusual..........is the hub brass......it may not be...!
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Posts: 2 11/11/2008 02:39 |
MB, I know this is a little bit off topic, but did anyone else go to Langs on Thursday for the Discovery Auction? They had a Hardy Perfect Reel in the Box and
it sold for between 675-725 plus buyers premium. I believe it was one of the highest priced items at that auction. I was just wondering if anyone knew anything
about it and if it was a good deal or not?
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Posts: 615 11/11/2008 09:20 |
The reel is a scarce "aluminum" Perfect. These are presumed to have been made during war time. They are a known commodity but not widely known. The
3 pins, shaft, ball race (holds ball bearings) would all be aluminum on this reel. They are fairly scarce because they were only made for a few years but do
not really command a premium and most often are sold without being described as such. I bought one in ex shape a few years ago for $250. Jim Adams has listed
them from time to time and actually believes they are inferior in design though I have never seen one that had any issues. This variation is not listed in ANY
publication.
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Posts: 563 11/11/2008 14:59 |
OK, interesting, so why no bullseye ring on a 40-50's reel?
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Posts: 564 11/11/2008 22:50 |
Also, if they were trying to conserve brass, then why is the foot and handle spindle still brass? There's a lot more brass in the foot than in the tiny
little rivets, so you'd think they would have nixed the brass foot before the rivets.
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Posts: 620 11/12/2008 11:03 |
Maybe they felt those were parts that for durabilty sake could not afford to be substituted? Another possibilty maybe they just had a ton of them already
pre-made and just used'em. ?? I think Hardy's alloy foot had not been developed yet and probably would not have been until about 10 years later. Maybe
thier goal was not to CREATE new parts using brass?
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Posts: 349 11/12/2008 11:33 Reclusive! Like J D Salinger |
Mainiac wrote:The Alloy foot was around in the 1890's so that can't be the reason. I'm sure there were many strange goings on as part of the 'war effort' / 'business practises' 
PS thanks for the info on this model, certainly unknown to me. |
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Posts: 621 11/12/2008 16:04 |
I am sure you're right about the alloy foot. I am not an expert and my knowledge of Hardys is exclusive to the models I have owned strictly for fishing.
This includes only St. Georges and Perfects in the 1930-1960 range. As you can see, i'm fairly limited in the giant world of Hardy reels actually
manufactured.
If I think of it I will dig up and scan some old Jim Adams catalogs in which these reels are discussed. |
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