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 SecondHandWolf |
Furled Leader Question |
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Posts: 88 11/04/2008 12:40 |
A couple of brands of furled leaders have a metal ring at the end for tying on a tippet. Does anyone have experience with these and how they do/don't
affect the energy flow of the leader and casting?
Many thanks, Mark |
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Zenkoanhead |
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Posts: 1394 11/04/2008 13:09 |
Never have used one. I can say that the plastic leader links, loop connectors, and fused flyline loops all make a difference in the turnover of light
lines/leaders, but then these are at the other end of the leader. I would imagine the ring would add substantial weight to be turned over by the delicate end
of the leader and would tend to pull a dry fly under. My furled leaders have tiny furled loops and even then you need to keep the entire leader greased. You
can always use a surgeon's knot to connect a two-stage tippet and lose the ring. The ring might actually work well with a nymph, as there are those that
pinch on a split shot right at the same place. Don
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thegubster |
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Posts: 1419 11/04/2008 14:32 |
Mark,
I'm like Don and my furled leaders don't have that tiny ring on the end. Just what they call a shorb loop. I have a couple of the leaders with that tiny ring and from everyone I've talked to they won't give you much trouble if any at all. I had your suspicions when I came onto them via the internet too but after owning a couple I'd tend to agree with those who fish them. Just keep your leader well greased....I use Albolene..plus that tiny, tiny ring and by my best guess you'd be fine. I wouldn't have any reservations trying to use one with 3ft of 6X and a #22 fly for example. I have found I really like furled leaders for my small, shallow spring creek fishing. Jeremy. |
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Ardea |
furled leader tippet rings | #3 | ||
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Posts: 122 11/04/2008 15:11 |
Hi, We're a mixed family: I make furled leaders with Shorb loops for myself but add the tippet rings for David. He's never complained about the
presentation with the ring, and likes tying his tippet to a ring much like he ties on a fly. I just loop-to-loop my tippet on. My leaders are exclusively
Unithread, very supple and unabrasive, so it's just a personal preference. Some of the commercial leader companies use abrasive, or, at least, stiffer
materials, and found they were cutting the tippet, I've heard, so they went to the rings. For purists fishing gin clear streams to spooky or inquisitive
trout, there is a thought that the little rings are much too alluring - grin. They are available in black, however. For leaders where presentation isn't an
issue, I suspect that the rings (and material used in the leader) aren't an issue either. For me, the supple presentation of the leader is amazing, a
striking characteristic of this type of leader. My 2 cents, Kat
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HexaMaineiac |
Rings, | #4 | ||
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Posts: 525 11/04/2008 15:23 |
I like them for the ease of tying on the tippet, I had trouble with my loops separating ot tightening too much. Haven't tried to do a Shorb loop.
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Coldreive |
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Posts: 155 11/04/2008 22:56 |
I've used the one from feathercraft with the small metal ring this past season and really like it . It cast extremely well and I have no intention of going
back to mono leaders for my cane rods . The only problem I've had so far is at the end of a long day it does sink somewhat though I have no mucilin as yet
so it's mainly my fault .
I connect them to my flyline using this http://www.furledleaders....k/furled_leader_knot.html method which I found here on this site . cheers Darrin |
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thegubster |
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Posts: 1420 11/05/2008 00:01 |
Darrin,
Get yourself a tub of Albolene from Walmart or your fav. drug store. Dress your furled's in it liberally before going out. Mine will float for a full 6 hrs. Never tested them longer than that. One tub will last you most of the rest of your life...even if yer a wee pup!  And did I say it's CHEAP????
Jeremy.
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Posts: 156 11/05/2008 00:21 |
thanks . I was planning on getting some mucilin in the red tin but perhaps not now .
thanks again |
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Posts: 129 11/05/2008 14:33 |
get the Albolene and two containers for on-stream: a tub (like the Mucilin tin) for cold weather and a squeeze bottle (like the Gink bottle) for warm weather.
You'll save pots of money (better spent on good hackle) and you'll have enough left to buy some really silly gadget that you couldn't possibly live
without.
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Rockthief |
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Posts: 235 11/05/2008 14:39 |
Most of my lines have furled leaders. Some have the Shorb and some have the ring. I have not noticed a difference in casting, likely the ring has not effect
whatsoever. It sure is useful for changing tippet. I read a blurb form one vendor whose stated that the rings float. Don't remember who is was though. My
leaders range in size from a couple feet to six feet in length.
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WhoBeBoo.thebamboorodroom |
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Posts: 2 11/07/2008 00:02 |
You can buy the little rings on the web from jewelry supply stores. they are called CLOSED JUMP RINGS...i like the 3mm 23 gauge size in sterling silver. i pay
around 16 cents a ring in quantities of 50. here is a source www.themysticcalgardenpath.com
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marcusw |
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Posts: 74 11/07/2008 10:01 |
Can anyone enlighten me on the use of furled leaders - they look to me as if they would be very visible - I have a couple I have never used. And what pray is
Albolene - where would I find it in a Wal-Mart or drugstore. Would it be suitable for a silk line - I am assuming it would be if it works with furled leaders
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Marcelo Calviello |
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Posts: 999 11/07/2008 10:06 Rod Maker |
Marcus:
I use furled leaders for about 5 years with any problems. I think that they are the best companion to a silk line and when you discover their advantages you will use them forever. Marcelo |
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thegubster |
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Posts: 1428 11/07/2008 18:00 |
Marcus,
Albolene is a make-up remover. It's also a wonderful floatant. I'd never have believed it if I hadn't just gone out and bought a tub...at your favorite WalMart, Walgreens or such....drug store. Look for it in the cosmetics dept (??). Can't say for sure, my bride picked up a tub. Work it into your furled leaders and I'm hoping you'll find it (and the leaders) as useful as I did. Jeremy. |
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Posts: 45 11/11/2008 12:10 |
Those of you who use Albolene, have you noticed it doing anything to the varnish on your rods? I keep hearing about it but I've never tried it. I
currently use Mucilin which I typically have to apply a couple of times when I'm out on the water.
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Posts: 181 11/11/2008 12:35 |
I have tried the furled leaders several times, my main complaint with them is that it sprays water to the area you are casting to. When I was using one, I
always had to false cast to the side and after the water sprayed off, I would then cast to my desired target. Kind of wasted time and motion, not to mention
putting fish down during a hatch.
Has anyone else experienced this, or is it the leader that I was using? thanks Dave |
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Ben Kann |
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Posts: 131 11/11/2008 12:49 |
poudre1 wrote: I think you must have been using a braided leader (Orvis used to push these big time). It's not the same thing. A well greased furled leader lifts off cleaner and more lightly than anything else you can imagine |
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MontyMontana |
couple of questions | #17 | ||
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Posts: 391 11/11/2008 15:18 |
Apologies if I seem to be hijacking the thread ...
1st. are you using nylon or thread for the furled leaders? 2nd, does using the Albolene stiffen a furled leader at all? Monty Montana
Your Signature ... I fish via our criminal justice system..."Catch and release"
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cdmoore |
Dave, I have the same problem... | #18 | ||
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Posts: 2581 11/11/2008 16:07 Moderator |
...but with almost any leader, not just furled or braided. If you are casting on flat water with a mirror surface you can see the spray coming of even 7X
and #22 flies. Granted, furled and braided probably give off more. Braided might be worse because the braid can result in a "hollow core" that
holds water, versus furled which doesn't really have a "core". I just tried to view the problem as an opportunity to get a touch better control
of the loop/line and to help gauge distance. That's how I've rationalized it anyways.
"Occasionally, I hallucinate. About fly fishing. Well, not really. I guess I just forget about everything else."
~Tom Chandler |
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Ardea |
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Posts: 124 11/11/2008 16:07 |
marcusw -
Hi, Furled leaders have been around for centuries, but have only experienced a revival in the US in the last 10 or 15 years. When we ran into Jim Cramer at an FFF - cane rodmakers gathering in Livingston, years ago, we could only name about six people between us who made them. Now, there are a hundreds of makers, a real grassroots effort, plus a few larger concerns who have them. All this tells us something - for some of us, they're the answer. Furled (not braided, which are hollow) leaders are leader-butts ready for tippet, and are known best for their supple presentation and lack of memory. They can be fished wet or dry. They're tapered, and can be adapted to a variety of line weights (Kathy has had people call who have just caught a tarpon or just caught a bass, but we use them mostly with trout, landlocked salmon, and a few panfish). I like the thread best and with a ring, but some of that depends on where you're fishing and for what. We both use silk lines. Hope this helps. Kathy (Scott), you might realize, has a dvd that shows how to make them. David
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thegubster |
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Posts: 1435 11/11/2008 16:33 |
MontyMontana wrote: Monty, 1.) Can be both. I much prefer the 6/0 or 8/0 thread for mine though because I only as yet use them for trout because of that "presentation" thing with trout. Warmwater species don't give a rip about "presentation" although I've fished w/a friend who uses them and the cast looks nice when it rolls out!! 2.) Absolutely not. Albolene...think of a Vaseline (sort of) lookalike...only bettter. HTH BTW, if I hadn't had the chance to fish with this friend using his furled leaders and because I'd only just switched from factory leaders to tying my own about two years prior, I'l tell you I NEVER would've considered them. I liked my own hand-tieds enough that it didn't matter. But when you see how they roll out (unroll) so gently....there's no going back for me! And I was just fine with my hand-tieds. As with ALL we do in this sport, it's just personal prefs. But what way to deliver a fly to a trout! I liked them enough to have bought Kathy's DVD boxed package! (An excellent little package BTW!) It'll be a fun thing to do over my winter! And they will not spray water to any greater degree than my typical 9' 6X hand tied will. This is furled and not braided. Jeremy. |
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