The two heavier bench models are the Jet 2649, 9x20 and the Grizzly G4000, 9x19. Thanking you in advance for your opinions.
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trouttrapper |
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I am considering purchasing a metal lathe and start making my own ferrules and reel seat components. I have spoken to several makers at some of the gatherings.
Most of them recommend finding an old South Bend or Atlas. I'm sure they are great machines, however, I can't see myself tinkering with an old,
possibly worn out, piece of equipment just to get it to work properly. I am being told that a light weight unit such as a Sherline won't cut it when it
comes to making ferrules from soild stock. I would like opinions from lathe operators on three new units that I have looked into. Also, if there are any others
out there in the $1,000 - $2,500 range that are even better, I'd like to know about them as well. The one mini lathe that I am considering is the Prazi
SD300, 5x12.
The two heavier bench models are the Jet 2649, 9x20 and the Grizzly G4000, 9x19. Thanking you in advance for your opinions. |
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aparramoure |
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My Sherline hasn't balked at bar stock ferrule yet. You could even get into the CNC thing. I would however recommend the longer bed on the Sherline, just
in case..
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PA Limestoner |
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John Zimny and I wrote an article on this for the Planing Forms a few years back. The Atlas/Craftsman lathes made after 1959 are fabulous for rodmakers. They
were made sturdier than before and had back gearing, belt driven head stock, quick change gear box, and a power cross feed on the saddle. Sears badged these
the Craftsman Commercial. So many of these were made that a well tooled cream puff can be found with regularity in many parts of the country. South Bend Model
A's are also great, but South Bends have a bronze bearing in the headstock that requires a factory replacement if it is worn. A skilled machinist can
determine if there is any error in the headstock runout. Logans are fine lathes, and parts are still available. Logans were also sold by Montgomery Ward. Emco
Maiers are superb lathes, but tooling can get quite expensive. This is my only reservation about the German made Prazi/Wabeco line of lathes. The English made
Myford Super7 could possibly be as close to the ideal rodmakers lathe ever built. Myfords are equipped the same as the above Atlas/Craftsman but in a slightly
smaller package. British hobbyists are fanatical about their love of Myfords. Clausing and Rockwell both built great lathes that were a staple of high school
and vo-tech shops for years. Joe Bergamo at Plaza Machinery in Vermont can help with used equipment and is a great guy to deal with - I have no financial
interest. If you want to go to with the Jet/Grizzly route, realize that they are made by the same companies, and that problems can occur with these Chinese
made products. I would buy from the closest retailer regardless of brand solely for the need for customer service. Where are you located? Remember, always buy
more lathe than you think you need - you will probably need the greater capacity some day.
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Hi Guys, Wish I had a South Bend Heavy 10. I've had a 6" Atlas for 30 years. Garrison had an Atlas 10". I saw two Atlas 6"s at Charlie
Jenkins shop in about 1980. Everyone likes the Sherlines and as the machine tool salesman told me that if you buy new you're starting from 'dead
nuts.' 'Ya pays yer money and yer takes yer choice.' Jay Edwards
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BigTJ |
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There is a really great line of lathes made in Canada, called lathemaster. I don't have one, but I have heard good things about them. Perhaps the
strengthening of the dollar might help with the price?
I think the best way to go is to just wait for a good deal to fall into your lap, rather than buying new. Figure out the type of lathe you want, then watch Craigslist like a hawk, or check estate sales. Be ready to drive a couple hundred miles, or have somebody in the family look in other areas of the country. I found a long-bed sherline with a ton of tooling and a ton of brass, aluminum and steel plus instruction manuals for about a third of what it would cost retail, and the thing was brand new used once or twice. My uncle picked it up in Oregon, about 8 hours away, then drove it down on a family visit. I would never have found it where I live. There are good deals out there if you are willing to be patient and look hard for what you want. By the way I do love my sherline, and it makes the best sense since my shop is small (extra bay in a 3-car garage). However, if I had more space, I would get a 9 by 20 in a heartbeat. The .410 hole through is a pain on the sherline. You can't put a rod with guides through it, and thicker-butt rods are also a pain to fit in there. I think the sherline is a fantastic tool, but the hole through the headstock is too small. An inch or inch and a half is way better.
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sunjpg |
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Anybody using the Chinese (Seig) mini-lathes such as the Micro Mark 7x14 ? Your thoughts ?
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i use a micro mark,great for grips with the extra length ,good for mounting ferrules and general work,dont know if i would like to make ferrules with it.i do
my mosaic pin and gemstone inlays with it and ferrule plugs.thanks steve
please check out my profile for information and availability on my mosaic and north star rods.
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mr flymph |
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The only Lathemaster lathes I've ever seen were made in China. I'm not familiar with a Canadian company of that name.
LG
Speak yer mind, but ride a fast horse!
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sunjpg |
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Steve,
Do you use your 7x14 for making reel seat hardware like cap and rings. and winding checks? Thanks, Jay |
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stephen kiley |
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jay,i do not do reel seat hard ware but i am sure it would do it just fine,i do however make all of my winding checks on it.thanks steve
please check out my profile for information and availability on my mosaic and north star rods.
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saguache |
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I looked into the LatheMaster, all are made in China, they were always back ordered so gave up on them. Grizzly introduced the G0602 10x22. When it came out I
got it for heavier work & can't be more satisfied. Did do upgrades, qc toolpost, low profile live center, a large drill chuck, etc. All in all it came
out about even $ with what the older SBs or Atlas' bring & tolerences are dead on out of the box. I compaired it to a Griz 9x19 at a shop &
it's a better bang for the buck machine.
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BigTJ |
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Well they say a memory is a bad thing to lose, I guess I've lost mine. I thought somebody told me they were made in Canada, it must be that they bought one
through a canadian distributor.
That being said, it still is a viable option for the range of prices the guy is looking for, and there is a loyal following of users out there. |
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stephen kiley |
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chad,thanks for the info on the grizzly 10x22,i have bin looking at it for a year thinking about it,now i have to figure out how to pay for one.steve
please check out my profile for information and availability on my mosaic and north star rods.
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saguache |
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I've had Grizzly power tools a while & the tool for the cost have been a great investment. They have some miner flaws, but so do the hi$ ones. I had
taken some machining classes at the local jr college and learned about 'big lathes' & mills and then tried some smaller models/brands at local
school shops & friends shops to get a feel for what to buy. Was glad I didn't make a move to buy, and was lucky that Griz started offering this model.
I threw about $700 more at it & it's a great small lathe. 75 years from now it'll be the "Atlas" from these times. I did several projects
on it and raised the $ to pay it off, not countin' labor of course!
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bubba01 |
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I've owned the Atlas 618, a Southbend Model A, and now a Grizzly 12 x 36. Both the old lathes required constant tinkering and after steady use, some
repairs. Lucky that parts are readily available for both. Once each one was basically rebuilt, they are fine machines. I agree with Chad on the Grizzly lathes.
Mine came out of the crate dead on accurite. I replaced the chuck and some of the bolts etc., a minor tune up, and I couldn't be happier.
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pmcroberts |
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Lathemaster has finally received their shipment!! Seems they were sitting in customs for quite some time. Of course they became available after my patience
gave out waiting and I bought an inexpensive lathe locally. Brought the new lathe home, set it up, cleaned all the darn grease off, and there sitting in my
inbox was an email saying the lathemasters are now available. My new unused inexpensive lathe will be looking for a new home!!!
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BigTJ |
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Please give us a run-down when you get yours in action. One of these days in the future I'm gonna have to break down and get something bigger, I am
increasing the size of my shop slowly and one day I'll have the room for it.
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scott bearden |
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Tom Smithwick made a set of ferrules out of Duronze at the 2008 Catskills Rodmakers gathering on a Sherline. Also, Mark Wendt (Titelines) makes his own
ferrules from a Homier 7x12 mini lathe. I have the same version made by Cummins (Tools Now). These are generally considered hobby or jewelers lathes. Think
about it, ferrules are not all that big. Buy as much lathe as you can afford, but don't sweat it. They will all pretty much work for what we need to do;
making ferrules and reel seat hardware.
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trouttrapper |
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Thanks all for your responses. Before making a final decision I visited a friend who owns and operates a large machine shop. I discussed your opinions and
concerns with him and asked his advice. He agreed that a well made 7x12 would perform all the required functions of a rodmaker, however, he further advised
that I should purchase the largest machine that my shop and budget would allow. As far as the Chinese 9x20's go, he believes the Enco and Jet lines are the
best quality, followed by Grizzly. I found an on-line special from Enco direct for the 9x20 with steel base. Total price $995.95 + $165 shipping to my
residence. I couldn't turn the deal up and expect delivery either tomorrow or Thursday. The comparable equipment from Jet would run $1,600 - $1,700 plus
shipping. Now that I've taken the plunge, I need your advice on the best sources for nickel silver tube and bar stock. Thanks.
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