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Posts: 166 01/02/2009 22:12 |
I found the patent date for the ribbed foot and as I have been told by others, and Turners book states this to be 1922. However, the true patent date is Jan
19, 1927, here is a cut-out of the patent schematic:
This will help narrow the time frame for some of you.
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Posts: 108 01/03/2009 14:11 |
The Document you are showing us has a publication date of June 16, 1927. The date of Jan. 19, 1927 is the Priority and Application date for an Addition to a claim in the Parent Specification, Patent No. 196,216, which this Addition is amending.
In order to make a determination you would need to examine the Parent Specification, in Patent No. 196,216 and look at the Specifications for this Addition. You are only showing us the Abstract and not the Specifications for this Addition.
There are set times before you need to file for a Patent to protect your invention. There are priority dates, filing dates with allowable time gaps in between that come before Publication dates. Generally, the invention will be manufactured and in use before the publication date or Priority and Application dates. 
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Posts: 403 01/03/2009 15:31 Reclusive! Like J D Salinger |
I would respectfully add that the document you show appears to refer to Hardy's up-locking reel seat, not ribbed feet on reels.
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Posts: 803 01/03/2009 15:48 |
This may be a question born of ignorance, but do I take it correctly from the description, insofar as I understand it, that the ribbed foot on a Hardy reel was
designed to match the thread on the uplocking seat? Perhaps it's so obvious I'm the only one who never knew.
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Posts: 895 01/03/2009 16:08 |
enigma309 wrote: Actually enigma, MFR's schematic (#272409) specifically addresses Hardy's ribbed foot which was designed post-facto to mesh with the earlier Parent Specification's (#196216: 31-July-1922/19-April-1923) threaded seat & ring ... as g-164 mentioned, it's a given that the ribbed foot preceded Patent # 272409, but just how early will in all likelihood always remain a mystery. In any event, the earlier Patent sheds some light onto Turner's 1922 dating. 
#196216 (1922) ... note the smooth back. 
#272409 (1927) ... w/ribbed foot. 
B-17G #42-31636 "Out House Mouse" 91st BG/323rd BS ~ Bassingbourn, ENG.
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Posts: 167 01/03/2009 17:00 |
The patent 196216 pertains to the up-locking reel seat, Fig 4 shows the smooth reel foot, in its designed cutout, void of screw lines so the reel seat would
move along the rod and reel foot unobstructed , when securing
I have the ribbed reel foot patent # 272409 advertised in the 1928 Hardy Catalogue but it is not in the 1926 catalogue. As Hardy could have distributed the ribbed foot prior to it patent (patent pending) Hardy was all about protecting itself from design theft, I suspect the ribbed foot ad. appears in the 1927 cat. but can't, personally, confirm. Thank Joe for your input, and cwfly you are right in your summation almost to the letter.
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Posts: 109 01/03/2009 17:29 |
It could be that the ribbed reel foot was done in conjunction with the threaded seat ring but not specified in the original patent because it was not considered necessary to protect in the beginning and would have cost more money to add an additional claim to the original patent. Then later Hardy decided to protect the feature from other aftermarket reel makers to prevent them from making ribbed feet reels or replacement feet for existing reels that would fit on their patented threaded reel seats.
Just a thought, not based on any known facts.
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Posts: 168 01/03/2009 21:44 |
Hi G164, this patent 196216 describes the sleeve sliding to the thicker part of the back-plate (reel foot) of the reel, this could only happen with the
smooth foot. I will give you what I have and you can follow the link to the patent. Paragraph 30, 35 and 40 describes this nicely.
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