Hockey Sticks versus Bamboo Fly Rods

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aquabonito	Hockey Sticks versus Bamboo Fly Rods		Lead	[-]
Posts: 922 01/09/2009 19:25 Angry Andy	Tags : None My best friend, a 67 year old senior hockey player, has made light of my bamboo fly rod collection. He says that a bamboo fly rod is is just a functional fishing tool whose sole reason for existence is to cast a fishing lure in the same sense that a hockey stick exists merely to bat around a hockey puck. He refuses to see any value in the craftsmanship, pride of ownership, or other intrinsic attributes of the well made bamboo fly rod. Of course I was incensed and made a few nasty comments about his sport and lack of understanding of mine. The discourse lasted over several of my best stock (after all he is my best friend) without resolution. He left in a huff. We will make up tomorrow as we have many times in the past. "You can't make new old friends" Andy Last Edited By: aquabonito 01/09/2009 19:28. Edited 1 time.
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DrLogik		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1569 01/09/2009 19:53	Too funny Aqua! You might remind him that he'd be hard pressed to find a wood or wood laminated hockey stick any more. and then ask, has your sport NO sense of tradition at all? All of your hockey sticks are composits now. How B O R I N G !! DrLogik.com
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Hardy Guy		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 790 01/09/2009 20:42	There are just as many little idiosyncracies that go into a players hockey stick as there in a cane rod. The length must be just right, the stiffness, the weight and "feel' must be there. Taping the butt and blade reaches an almost religious level with some, The fact he can't recognize the similarities or appreciate his hockey stick leaves me to conclude he is indeed a grumpy old man Next time he gets grumpy just pull his shirt over his head and feed him a couple a good ones A hockey player can always appreciate this Hardy Guy PS Just kidding on the fisti-cuffs Obsessed Salmon Chaser since 1988!! www.flyfishtheisland.com
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satbuilder		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 33 01/09/2009 21:44	Just remember, Andy.... "You can't make new old friends"
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mmorris236		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 242 01/10/2009 10:43	One BIG difference between that hockey stick and your bamboo, there are no old hockey sticks. You buy it, you tape it and then you beat the ever loving crap out of it until it breaks into pieces, then you buy another one. A hockey stick, no matter how well crafted, how expensive or how "beutiful" is a disposable.
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uintaangler		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1123 01/10/2009 11:31	I guarantee you that somebody owns a hockey stick that Gordie Howe or Bobby Orr had in his hands during a Stanley Cup playoff game and that collector paid about what you might pay for an original Dickerson rod { and the rod casts a hell of a lot better }
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bluejayee		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 605 01/10/2009 15:40	Hi Guys, Yeah, Well... The collectible market in old hockey sticks seems to be down these days probably due to the economic slow down we've been experiencing. It's never been a strong market due to the relatively few who ..... hockey? I still play at 64. Collectible sticks? Go to Detroit Red Wings Store. [The only team in America with depth of meaning.] Signed game sticks, like from the Stanley Cup or Howe or... I have a Russian made stick [says so in English] with a bunch of Cyrillic magic marker signatures or writings of some sort on it. I only play with it on sunny Sundays once a year. I bought it at a second hand store for like, $2.00. I plan to retire with the proceeds from it's sale. I'd trade it for a Dickerson or Garrison though. Jay Edwards
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Shoeless Joe		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 898 01/10/2009 16:03	bluejayee wrote: Go to Detroit Red Wings Store. [The only team in America with depth of meaning.] Signed game sticks, like from the Stanley Cup ... Geez, do you suppose a guy might find any meaningful sticks from the '95 Finals in that store ... like say, this one? Got 11 seconds? PS: aguabonito, you need to speak a language your friend might understand ... like say, a steel core Hardy bamboo two-hander to the muzzle "Sky Demon" ~ B-25J #43-4039 ~ 340th BG/487th BS Last Edited By: Shoeless Joe 01/10/2009 16:17. Edited 1 time.
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Berry Point		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 424 01/10/2009 16:48	Hi Andy, Your friend might not be paying attention. Point him to this link of a stick used by The Great One and then ask him again whether provenance and history have any place in the enjoyment of sport. Were he to buy that stick he would certainly put it in a hermitically sealed glass case somewhere. You, on the other hand, have the sublime pleasure of using your rods for their intended purpose for as long as you like without the slightest remorse. Enjoy that thought and share it with your friend over the best single malt you can put your hands on. I'm sure he will understand. Cheers, Paul Last Edited By: Berry Point 01/10/2009 16:51. Edited 1 time.
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SnooKen		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 802 01/10/2009 16:59	Andy; You are trying to make a point with a buddy who has been getting beat up on the ice his entire life and ENJOYS it. Bet his idea of the most important item to take fishing is an ice auger. Ya' gotta learn to pick your battles my man. Ken "I strive to ensure that my amazement at the beauty and complexity of the natural world and of the individual people who surround me always outweighs my dismay." Gordon Kennedy
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wb4tjh		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 443 01/10/2009 20:56	Some people could look at Michaelangelo's "David" and just see a carved rock in the shape of a man, or Divinci's "Last Supper" and just see and old picture with people dressed in funny clothes. "Cast not your pearls before swine"....there's no way they could appreciate them. It's the same with a lot of people these days. You might as well try to push a wet string uphill. Bamboo is the Benchmark for flyrods.
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mmorris236		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 244 01/10/2009 23:19	I respectfully disagree with the collectable stick analogy. What is the value of a Montague that Dickerson used once and put in his closet? Would you pay the same for that rod as one of the ones he built for a perfect stranger and never cast? Gordie Howes stick has value because Gordy Howe played with it, the tens of thousands of other identical mass produced sticks are worthless. A dickerson Rod has value not only because of the genius of the man who built it, it is demonstrably superior to other rods and can be identified simply by looking at it. If that Gordie Howe stick became separated from the certification trail that proves who it belonged too, it has no more value than any other old, useless stick in your dads attic. It is not the same thing in my book.
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Hardy Guy	I held a gamer!!	#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 794 01/10/2009 23:45	Paul, I have actually held a game used Gretzky Titan from the '83/'84 season(IIRC). It still had traces of baby powder on the blade and it was a F-in thrill to coddle that sucker We had a bunch of beers while youtubing old gretzky highlights wondering if this was the game he used the stick!! It was pretty cool. On the lines of what a players stick means,, check this out,, second quote down http://www.brainyquote.co...hors/w/wayne_gretzky.html Obsessed Salmon Chaser since 1988!! www.flyfishtheisland.com
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bluejayee		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 607 01/11/2009 14:23	Hi Guys, Gad, Scott Stevens had the best hit in hockey, eh? Of course the Wings did have to give away new cars to get people to watch them play at the old Olympia Stadium. They stank, but their stinking had meaning, eh? And yeah, a Dickerson [a Detroit Red Wing fan, no doubt.] has more intrinsic value than a historic stick. So that's why I have all those fly rods and so few hockey sticks. It took me a while to figure all this out. Thanks Guys! Jay Edwards
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Berry Point		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 426 01/11/2009 23:37	Dwayne, that must have been a hoot! What a piece of history. Actually, the stick I pointed to in my original link appears to be signed but unused from a limited run. So if a stick only touched by Gretzky is worth over $1300, what would an actual game stick fetch?? Hope you didn't spill too much beer on the one you handled Cheers, Paul
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pvansch1		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4204 01/12/2009 09:11 Moderator	Gordie Howe used to live on the same street as a middle school friend of mine. We'd play street hockey and sure enough Gordie would come out and give us pointers on shooting. He always had time to stop and chat with the neighborhood kids. Pete "Listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul" Grateful Dead
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Whitefish Press		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 197 01/12/2009 11:15 Sic transit piscatoria Clark's	This thread brings me back. As a born-and-raised Duluth, MN wing, we would scour garage sales back then for used hockey sticks and play them until they broke--names like Christian Bros. of Warroad, MN, Northland (great goalie sticks), CCM, Spalding...we'd accumulate as many as we could at a quarter a piece, because we'd shatter them shooting tennis balls against the garage door in the summer and pucks on the ice in the winter. You'd put the blade in a toaster to bend it properly and give your wrist shot proper loft. I once found a hand-made stick (I no longer remember where but certainly a garage sale) that looked to be crafted from three kinds of wood, with a separate blade that attached into a neat hand crafted metal sleeve to the shaft. While almost all of the sticks we had lasted less than a day (even new ones broke quickly, especially those bought from the infamous "Dick's Drying Rack" at one of the local sport shops). This one, however, lasted weeks. It was a bit heavier but it had a tremendous feel, and God was it durable. I finally snapped it at the neck when I lost my balance going into the corner and tried to use the stick to correct my fall. Imagine my surprise to find the maker had mortised the blade into the handle... If I still had the stick, I'd not hesitate to put it on the wall next to a fine bamboo rod.
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Hardy Guy		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 797 01/12/2009 16:00	Paul . it WAS cool. As a Canadian boy i knew about hockey long before I knew about nearly anything else. I've been playin the game for 36 years, coach my sons Pee Wee team, remove my hat and sing O'Canada before games with my Kids and still shed the odd tear when games like the World Juniors end the way they did. Holding the "Great ones' stick was much more special than waving some whippy ol fishin pole Hardy Guy Obsessed Salmon Chaser since 1988!! www.flyfishtheisland.com
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Bill Charles		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 787 01/12/2009 20:05 Moderator	All I know is that I've never heard of anyone scarfing a hockey stick! If you've heard this story before, don't stop me, because I'd like to hear it again.
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thegubster		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1515 01/14/2009 09:04	Yo, Andy, I'm beginning to unnerstand your avatar more all the time now. With pals like that you have a right to look grumpy.... When he comes back and you kiss 'n make up over coffee and rolls gently suggest he begin playing w/a helmet for a change... If he's as good a friend as you suggested he'll be back another day for more coffee n' cakes. Man, what a character. Meantime you'll have some space. With all respect intended ol' boy, (thumbs up thingy) Jeremy.
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aquabonito		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 929 01/17/2009 18:36 Angry Andy	Hey Gubby, We were estranged for about two days, just long enough for him to get over his hangover. He's a ready and willing shot and a beer drinker. But if single malt is available, he's for that too. It was Yukon Jack the other night and his comment was "where has this stuff been...would be great at an outdoor rink". The hockey buffs are hijacking this thread! "You can't make new old friends" Andy
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