Hello,
I would like to know who builds mills/bevellers in the USA, apt to build final tapered strips.
The only name I know is JW. Any others?
Thank you for the info you can provide.
Regards
Marco
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Mills/bevellers to made final tapered strips
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AJ Bamboo |
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Posts: 764 01/12/2009 15:25 |
bellinger also makes a finish beveler
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gew3201 |
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Posts: 22 01/12/2009 16:47 |
JW is the only one I know of. Finish Bevellers are very expensive around 12k+. I know there is somebody else that makes a CNC machine but not sure who it was
Forrest maxwell told me about them call him at 503-585-6667 and he could tell you. Forrest machine comes close it cuts cleanly down to .030 and IMHOP is the
best rougher/beveller out there. I know the Bellinger will also cut down to close tolerances but neither are really considered a finish machine like the JW.
Call Forrest he will point you towards a good machine
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Posts: 765 01/12/2009 18:05 |
bellinger DOES make a FINISH beveler as well as a couple of non finish models. i know cause i have seen them, helped a bit with the initial design when Al
owned it, have used it and have seen them make several over the past few years. they are not cheap. 15K + or - . they are big and heavy. Jerry foster can
provide insight about the CNC machine, i have seen Jerrys work and it is a testimonial to how well it(and Jerry) cuts cane
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Posts: 1 01/12/2009 18:23 |
Bellingers finish beveler are a great machine. I have not used one myself but have watch one in use and have measured the strips. Dead nuts on.
Their "Hand Planers Friend" is not a finish beveler but I can't see myself making rods without one. |
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Posts: 34 01/12/2009 18:33 |
You just had to drag me into this AJ. :-) There are three finish mills out there (for sale). Bellinger.. works with a patternboard, template JW (makes two
kinds) one works on an adjustable 5" centered form, like planing bars turned on their side. (that principle anyway) And a CNC type that is computer
controlled. All the above have proven to make finished dimension strips.. There may be more types out there, but I am not aware of them on the retail market. I
have helped 3 people design there own CNC mills, but that doesn't make me an expert..Just maybe a little more aware.. Regards Jerry
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ArcticCane |
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Posts: 409 01/12/2009 18:50 |
The new Bellinger Beveler doesn't work on a pattern board like some of the previous models. You set it up like a planing form (really more like a Morgan
Hand Mill) on adjustable 5" centers - sounds similar to the non-CNC JW machine. It is not computer controlled in any way but it does cut to finish
dimensions quickly with amazing, repeatable accuracy. As AJ mentioned, they are not inexpensive nor lightweight. The delivery weight on mine was nearly 800lbs
in a coffin-sized crate and cost a total of about $11k (delivered). It took four strong guys to lift it into place.
AFAIK, Bellinger is making a very small number of the big bevelers every year. This is a different piece of equipment than their Little Giant (rougher) or their Hand Planer's Friend (rougher and rough-tapering machine) and is not shown on their website.
Chris Carlin
Far North Rodsmiths
Last Edited By: ArcticCane 01/12/2009 18:53.
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BigTJ |
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Posts: 658 01/12/2009 19:50 |
Thanks to everyone for the information now I can go home to my wife tonight and tell her I just saved her close to 10 grand by buying a beveller instead of a
mill. Now she owes me big-time!
Seriously very informative stuff good to know. Would be a blast to see one of those babies in operation, that must be about the coolest thing around. |
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J W Foster |
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Posts: 35 01/13/2009 02:33 |
Sorry, I forgot the new Bellinger had an adjustable bed. Senior moments.. Anyway they are all great machines..
Regards Jerry |
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mdraft1 |
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Posts: 19 01/16/2009 08:50 |
If you are looking for a machine to bevel strips I can build you one. The strips will be untapered, but it saves a lot of time and planning. All you will
need is a router and a straight bit. Anyway, if you are interested I can send pictures. Including shipping it would be around 200.00.
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brookies |
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Posts: 1 01/16/2009 16:09 |
Hello, I am wondering if the Bellinger or the J.W. mills can glue right off the tapers pattern? Even flamed strips with no glue lines ? Hexes but how about
quads? Thanks
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Posts: 450 01/16/2009 17:37 |
I'm not familiar with the Bellinger mill, bet AJ can answer that, but the JW mill will certainly glue up straight off the anvil, no glue lines. I have a
friend who uses one and he's tickled pink with it.
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Carlin |
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Posts: 7 01/16/2009 17:50 |
Yes, the big Bellinger mill (not the Hand Planer's Friend) can glue up right after cutting, which is the idea of course. The accuracy is amazing and
assuming your prep work is reasonably well done (flat, straight strips) you'll get perfect strips and seamless glue up.
Currently the Bellinger isn't setup to do quads, but I'm working with Chet to get some quad cutters and other custom parts made so that it can. There is nothing inherent in the design that makes it so it can't do alternate geometries.
Chris
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Posts: 2 01/16/2009 20:24 |
Guys, Is that the mill that has carbide cutters that attach to a electric motor? Or is there something new ? Thanks all
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Posts: 8 01/16/2009 20:37 |
It is a newer design on the older version. A number of improvements were made but the main operation is the same using a large electric motor and carbide
cutters.
Chris
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Posts: 132 01/21/2009 17:56 |
Guys,
thank you for the useful answers and the information you provided.
I would need to ask another question: what is the precision I can get, for instance, with a mill Bellinger in several strips built one after the other in
sequence(the same taper is used for them all of course)?
Regards Marco
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mog |
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Posts: 133 01/21/2009 18:02 |
Hello mdraft1,
thank you for your reply and your kind offer, but at the present I am more interested in a mill for the final tapered strips.
Thanks again,
Marco
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Posts: 678 01/21/2009 18:48 |
Mog,
I have no expereince with a finish mill other than seeing one in Homer Jennings shop. However, I have been told by Forrest Maxwell that you can get accuracy on these finish bevellers on the order of what you get hand planing , that is flat to flat measurements within a thousandth or two of desired final. I hope someone with more expereince pipes up here but it seems to me that asking for more accuracy than a thousandth of two is wishful thinking just because you start delving into the realm of things like thermal and water expansion if you are talking in fractions of a thousandth. From my limited experience with using power tools for planing bamboo the accuracy depends a lot on the user, their familiarity with the machine, their ability of understanding how to work within the framework and limitations of the machine, and their ability to prepare the cane in a way to maximize the machine's ability to cut accurately. In other words, if you don't know your machine and you put junk strips in there, your accuracy will be worse than planing by hand. Or, put another way, I would have to think that the learning curve for accurate planing on a set of forms is about 1/10th of the learning curve on a finish mill. Enough of my hot air, AJ, Jerry, Chris, Bob what do you guys have to say? |
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Posts: 35 01/22/2009 16:48 |
What about the Morgan Hand Mill? Is it still being made?
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Posts: 681 01/22/2009 16:50 |
Yes, but it's a completely different animal than what they are talking above above. I just talked to Tom Morgan about a week ago he is still plugging
along. Truly a great guy.
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mattcliff |
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Posts: 36 01/22/2009 21:38 |
Didn't realize Tom was still in action. That's amazing. Good for him.
I realize the hand mill is a whole different kind of machine, but if somebody was looking for something that will cut finished strips, it sounds like he could save about 10 grand compared to a powered mill. But I've never owned either one, so I don't know the pros & cons. |
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