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franklin |
How and where did you learn to make Bamboo Rods? |
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I am curious to where and how you all learned to make Bamboo rods? Thanks Paul
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aparramoure |
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I started with Wayne Cattanach's book, then an 8 page booklet, and the book list goes on. The book that Cattanach will get you going pretty well.
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pvansch1 |
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Wayne Cattanach's book
Gearge Mauer's book. This site Rodmakers list serv Asking questions. Pete
"Listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul" Grateful Dead |
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Joel Anderson |
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What Pete said, plus learning from my own screwups! |
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pvansch1 |
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Joel,
Ooops!! Forgot about those!! LOL From past readings mostly on the Rodmakers List serv, the hardest part to to making a rod is getting started, "Just do it" People spend time and $$ gathering tools and gadgets, making tools etc. Get the basics; Roughing form Plane and a decent blade A way to sharpen the plane (wet dry paper and the scary sharp system) Final planing forms Caliper / micrometer Depth gage Msic stuff; Fine tooth hack saw for cutting bamboo to length flat file vise for flattening nodes (pressing) Heat gun or alcohol lamp Did I miss anything? No need for an oven, I find your pizza guy is usually more than willing to bake some cane for a few cold ones. Pete
"Listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul" Grateful Dead |
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Chip Node |
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Made the mistake of reading Garrison/Carmichael book - never was that good in math! So, it took me another four years before picking up Wayne's book and
the light bulb went off that I can do this. Like Pete said start, you really don't need a lot in the way of tools. I got set up with what it would of cost
to buy a new rod, figured my time was better spent making rods then equipment. My only power tool being a heat gun for straightening and running a Neumanann
style oven for heat treating. Also, check around, make some connections, there probably is a local rod maker that would be willing to help you out if you get
in a bind. Nothing like seeing someone tackle the problem. Then of course there is always this board! Ask questions, there is no one way to make a rod and each
of us had to work out a process. Cattanache, Maurer, Howell, Elsner's and Garrison's books all grace my shelf but it was the first one that got me
started and the one I often refer to. Let us know if we can help! tim
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WhoBeBoo.thebamboorodroom |
books and the web and advice from others | #6 | ||
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First I bought the basic books to know what I was getting in to...that helped me decide on my approach...I decided on nodeless so that eliminated some of the
steps (and added a few different steps.) Also my first rods are one piece jobs so that eliminates learning ferruling.
I first got the bug to build a rod in early 2008 and my goal was to have a finished first rod by the Southern Rodmakers Gathering in October. It took me all through Spring and Summer to make the planing forms and other specialized tools...my rod first rod was glued up by mid August. I'm constantly modifying my methods. My first binder was a single string that put a hook into the blank so I threw that one out and built a 4 string binder that I'm much more pleased with. My first glue was Epon...on one of my next rods I went with resorcinol...you just have to decide some things for yourself. As you get to know the bamboo everything goes much smoother. Best advice is to try to get to working with the actual boo as soon as you can in the process. |
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rlnunleycom |
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I know now there were, but 20 years ago, I didn't know there were any books about bamboo rodmaking... I didn't exactly live in "Flyfishing
Heaven" ya know... so I started bugging people.
First, Gary Howells, who was very guarded at first, but opened up over the years to give me a few tidbits. I sent one of my early rods to Gary, probably my 20th rod or so. He was kind but critical, telling me that the rod was "OK", but nowhere near perfect, pointed out things I could do better, then told me to send him rod #100 and he'd tell me whether I'd "ever" be a rodmaker. Part of me was crushed... People on the river and in my flyfishing club had seen that rod, my best work to date, and thought it was amazing... perfect... flawless... a work of art... I was a little beaten down and discouraged, but that quickly turned into FIRE. I was determined that I woule build the perfect rod! Thus began my quest for the perfect finish, the perfect wraps, the perfect casing rods, the perfect everything (now I know there is no such thing as perfect in this business, but you can get close) A little farther down the road, I did send him another rod and he sent it back with a very kind note, basically saying that I'd made it... I cheated... It wasn't #100, but probably around the 80th or so. and looking back it at... it was a piece of $#%@ too, especially compared to the rods I make today, but just a much nicer piece of $#%@ than the first one I sent him!
Then there was Glenn Brackett. You know, Glenn is one of those guys that would talk to me and answer anything I asked, even though I doubt after all these years he would even remember who I am. Makes no difference... I still owe him... I was just one of those pesky guys that would call Glenn at Winston. He was never "there" when I'd call, but he'd always come across from the Boo shop and call me back. He answered questions, gave me tips and hints, sent materials for free... I once asked him about the duronze they used for ferrules and a week later got about 3 feet of it in the mail. I think I still have some of it lying around. Stuff is a BEAR to work with!!! Then there was Tom Morgan. By the time I met Tom, he was already wheelchair bound, but still a great source of information AND friendship. For those that know Tom, he is an AMAZING man. Most of us would have thrown in the towel years ago. Tom continues to stride forward... At our first meeting, Tom looked at one of my rods, probably around the 300th or so by then, and said, "You don't charge enough". We talked about that for awhile and he basically said then I should be charging more than i charge NOW. It didn't make sense to me, but let me tell you, I couldn't wear a 55 gallon drum for a hat for the next month!!! Talk about a swollen head!!! Tom and Gerri have been on my short list of people I care deeply about for a lot of years, and to this day, if I run into a problem, I know I can call Tom Morgan and he'll either have the answer or find the answer. I learned a lot from Tom about both making rods and about the rodmaking business. Then there was Ron Kusse. I learned a lot from all of these fine gentlemen, but, without a doubt, I've learned more from Ron Kusse over the last decade than I've learned from all the others combined. The first day Ron met, we hit it off. We fished together for a few hours and talked rodmaking for a few more (until well after midnight). Within a week of my return to Oklahoma, I knew I was going to have to get a better Cell Phone Plan! To this day, I don't have 10 or 15 minutes conversations with Ron. A short one will be an hour. We can stay on the phone discussing technique and flyfishing history for as long as 3 or 4 hours. I've been a guest in his home and in his shop. There are two points that I call "highlights of my rodmaking career. #1... Recently, Ron called me with a rodmaking problem and wanted my input. It just happened to be a problem that I had run into before and I COULD HELP HIM!!! (By the way, for the young or less experienced rodmakers, I've made close to 700 rods, Ron has made over 3400 rods... This was an obscure situation neither of us had come across in a combined 70 years of rodmaking until recently. What I'm saying is NONE of us will EVER know everything there is to know about rodmaking, and those that think they do, well, they just refuse to continue to gain knowledge) #2, and actually THIS IS the #1 thing, Ron and I have had some discussions of late about me moving to upstate New York and he and I making rods together. That, gentlemen is like a dream come true for me... unfortunately, I'm not in a position right now to take advantage of that. I wish I could, but family issues keep me in the mid South for the next few years. So here, I'll stay... Anyways... I would venture to say there are at least a couple of dozen "secrets" that Ron taught me that aren't in ANY of the books or tutorials. Those are priceless... and as far as I'm concerned they'll never be written in any book. They are things that are the proprietary secrets of Ron's craft and he told me those things on my word of honor that I wouldn't tell anyone else, at least as long as he was still making rods. In my 20 years, (since I found out people actually wrote books about this) I've owned about every book there is on rodmaking. I've read them, then sold them to someone that needs them. The only "rodmaking" books on my shelf now are historical books... books about Wes Jordan and Lyle Dickerson and such... I didn't find much added value in the other "how to" books, for me as a rodmaker. I guess before I ever saw a book, I had been influenced by the ideas of masters of this craft on how rods should be made and it really didn't match what I could find in the books... Plus, by the time I got the first book, I had developed an intuitive sense about rods, how they cast, how they can be improved and rodmaking in general. You can't learn that from a book. You can only learn that from 10,000 hours. There is a popular book on the market where a group of people who are glaring successes in their fields are ask how long it too to solve a certain task to perfection and the answer was... 10,000 hours. Well, at about 40 hours per rod, and ball park 680 rods, I'm 27,200 hours in, and I'm still learning... every chance I get, from everyone who will teach me. I think before I hit that "Post" button, I'll say one more thing. Thanks Gary, Glenn, Tom and most of all Thanks Ron. I never got the chance to repay Gary for his kindness and advice, but I someday, in some way, I will the rest of you. Bob |
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Larry Swearingen |
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Well let's see.....
Wayne Cattanach's book Gearge Mauer's book Rodmaker's Listserv and most importantly an afternoon spent with Tony Spezio in Flippin, AR ! That afternoon with Tony was the big thing that actually got me going. Yes, I can do this. It's NOT rocket science. Just need to be accurate. And consistent. And stubborn. And have a wife that's not always on my case with honey-do's. Guess I'm just lucky with that last one.
Or maybe the fact that I've been Consistently Stubborn during our 25 years of marriage (as of Feb. 11) has broken her in good.
Larry Swearingen Fort Wayne, IN New Hoosier |
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BigTJ |
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Bob hit the nail on the head. As, Emerson said, nobody could have taught Shakespeare poetry any more than somebody could have taught Beethoven how to write
music. I just read an article on Eddie Van Halen, the guy doesn't even know how to read music, yet look at the songs he's wrote. If you want to be the
best you can be, start with books and advice, but ultimately you will have to figure out things for yourself and make the process "your own".
It's the personal relationship you develop with the tools, materials, and process that is the key to success and it's ultimately got to be a one-on-one
relationship.
If you only stick to what's in the books you will get results but they won't be near what you can do when you branch out and do it your own way. Listen to that voice in your head that says "there has to be a better way to do this". You will be amazed what you can come up with. Since I am relatively new to the craft I can say the most important thing is to just get started and don't worry too much about the product, focus on the process at hand, do your best, and move on. One step at a time. I wish I had back those 4-5 years of dilly-dallying around before I got serious. We only have so many years on this earth, each one should be used to it's fullest. Get some cane, a cheap knife or screwdrivers, and just start splitting. Do it this week. Don't worry about the next step. Just split some strips and start the journey. You won't be sorry. |
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fishketcha |
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I was lucky. It was under the close supervision of the late George W. Barnes. He is probably the most unrecognized leader in our bamboo rod making passion. George would go out of his way to make sure that any questions asked of him, were answered clearly in order for another to excel towards perfection in the triumph of making their own bamboo rod. Lead on George. |
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jim royston.theswissriflesd... |
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After a 30 year wait, from the time that Garrison's/Carmichael's book was published, I had the great good fortune of having the following question
answered here.
Who's splitting cane in Dallas? And Dan Smith replied that he would be happy to show me the ropes. I had forms, planes, books, etc but without hands on assistance I don't think I would have ever gotten it done. |
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tapermaker |
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My addiction to cane rods led me to many books on the subject.a voracious reader ,this wetted my appetite.I stared by doing restorations on rods i found at
flea markets ,garage sales and the like.This led to questions that were not covered well in the books.I was fortunate to run into a man who had been restoring
and making rods for 20yrs. we started a friendship while fishing and talking cane. thousands of questions later ,my restorations started taking on a more
polished look.This fellow who patiently fielded all my questions was Dwight lyons. Dwights catalog of knowledge on the old masters works rival most
encyclopidia`s.Over the course of about 5yrs. it was like i was a miner mining a motherload.I started making rods then, as it seemed the next natural step.
Even though Dwight warned me that the only way to make a small fortune at rod building was to start with a large one!! After making about 25 rods i took a
course with Daryl Whitehead down at Bellingers. I had met Daryl on numerous ocassions over the previuos yrs while attending NFLCC shows in Kelso wash. with
Dwight. Two different men with completly opposite Ideas about rod making . Dwight wanted nothing to do with modern methods of building ,Daryl looking for new
and better ways to make a better mouse trap. They both obviuosly appreciated each other though , and their good natured ribbing was always fun to watch and
listen to. I learned what was important,the useful info that these men unselfishly passed on are what makes my rodbuilding better than it would have ever been
if i had never met them.
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Lee Koch |
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In the 90's I started buying $20 junkers and re-habbing them, then eventually moved up to $80-$100 junkers (abused Grangers and Phillipsons, in general),
then eventually decided I could make these things myself. Bought Cattanaugh's book, spent 2 years gearing up, and finished my first 2 rods without ever
having spoken with a living rodmaker. Then I learned about the rodmakers' gatherings, (SRG 2002 the first one) and most everything I've learned of good
came from them, particularly casting 100s of rods on the rack. Taper appreciation is subjective, and the best way to know what is right for YOU is to cast
specific tapers. That was a great leap forward, casting all those rods. Then the second leap was sitting around a kitchen table over breakfast or late into the
night, talking with Alan Kube, Don Hansen, David Bolin, Rick Crenshaw... It's one thing to watch a demonstration of ferrule-making, and entirely another to
sit down in front of a lathe and have a teacher say "Now turn that down just so the welt fits, then we'll solder it, then after that
we'll..." Same for scarfing a broken tip, same for getting shimmer-less wraps, and so on. I've bought pretty much all the rod-making books out
there, and Wayne's got me going, but it's the rodmakers meetings that made a real difference. Lee
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Photojoe4 |
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I have had the great fortune to have been taught by three of our crafts most gifted individuals- Chet Croco, Bill Bennett and Daryll Whitehead. Whatever
rodmaking skills I have aquired are a result of the time I have spent in their company.
Regards,
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HexaMaineiac |
First, I met Lon Blauvelt | #15 | ||
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At a flyfishing show, thought that's interesting.
Then got the GW catalog looking for components to build plastic and realized that people really made these bamboo rods. Then, Kathy Scott showed our TU chapter the video she made of David making a bamboo rod. Next thing I know, I'm taking a week-long vacation to take Lon Blauvelt's class, handily a half-hour from home..... Now I've got books by Maurer, Cattanach, Garrison/Carmichael, Howell, Holden, Milward, Harms/Whittle, K. Scott, Hatton, as well as several years of Power Fibers and Planing Forms. You know you're hooked when you keep thinking about a different way of doing something when the rest of you is asking for sleep. Despite the fact that my fifteenth rod was no better than some makers' first effort I am still compelled to make more. Right now it's 32 hours until Superboo and I'm already thinking about the Catskills and Penobscot gatherings. |
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Tarheel |
How and where did you learn to make bamboo rods? | #16 | ||
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I had the good fortune to break an old bamboo rod that someone had given me. This led to my introduction to Monty Kirby. Monty convinced me that I could make
a bamboo rod, then had me start my second rod before the varnish was dry. I couldn't have asked for a more patient teacher. Monty is a constant tinkerer.
He is always looking for a different (not necessarily better/easier) way of doing things. If he ever read some where that a plane would work better if you
worked in only your boxer shorts, I wouldn't walk into his shop. Monty also introduced me to 57clemson. Dave is 6'-5" of rompin'
stompin' heart. He is one of the nicest people that I have ever met. In my travels, I was also fortunate enough to meet Royal Wulff and Pink Panther.
The two of them were very gracious to me during my trips to Colorado. They live in a beautiful part of the world, and it is made more so by their presence.
My wife will tell you that Pink Panther also has a fully functional sense of humor, so you had better keep an eye on her. Royal Wulff was nothing but nice to
me, so don't believe everything that John Gierach writes about him. Royal Wulff was also very free with information, and I consider each bit a gift.
Thank you all!
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Joel Anderson |
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My story pretty much parallels Hexamainiac's (Looking forward to meeting you tomorrow, Henry!) I think we all reach a point in our fly fishing lives where
we seek a new challenge. I'd always been interested in cane, but I couldn't justify the expense. So I thought I buy a second hand rod. Doing research,
I found Lon Blauvelts class and calculated that I could learn to build my own rod for about th same price as a good used rod, and like Hex, the classes were
very handy to me. I figured I'd have a rod that I built myself at the end of the class and pretty much know, without buying all the tools, if this was
something I really wanted to purse further.Well, if 20 finished rods over the past year are any indication as to the commitment I've made to this craft, I
guess I'm in it for the long haul. Now, when I'm not building rods, I'm thinking about ways to improve m building, or the hardware selection for my
next rod, or what that taper will be etc.
I think one of the most gratifying aspects of building is being able to give a close fishing friend a gift they could never afford, and witness the true gratitude on their face; often times accompanied by a tear in their eye. It's a gift that is worth so much more than the money invested in hardware. It's also extremely gratifying to me to watch the graceful loops of someone casting of my rods. Sometimes I'll look down during the course of day's fishing and just take time to admire the beauty of the rod I made with my own two hands. Yeah, that's what I talking about! joel |
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fisheye444 |
waded into the deep end . . . | #18 | ||
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I came to this site for an appraisal on my Grandfather's old Heddon Bill Stanley Favorite. It didn't ammount to much, but its invaluble to me ~
I'm currently bringing it back to life, which is a wonderful thrill.
I bought Wayne's book and a couple culms, tried to build my own forms, then bought some, and began my quick descent into the this never ending whirlpool of rodmaking. One thing always seems to lead to another. I bought a Granger to restore and sought out Gary Lacey to rebuild the tips. Went to his shop to drop it off, . . . and stayed all day. 4 years later, I'm still learning from him even though we're now 1500 miles further away. He's a great guy and its always nice to have add a human aspect to the learning process. Some things you just can't glean from a book, no matter how thorough it is.
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oysterbamboo |
Everett Garrison... sort of | #19 | ||
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Bought a copy of "the bible", and haven't been the same since.
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john channer |
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I learned the general ideas from Claude Kreider's book first, then Wayne's book . I made my forms and started my first rod on saw horses in the yard
while I was building my first shack, er, shop. I don't think I bought the Garrison book until sometime after the tenth rod or so. Rodmaking is like
anything else you do with your hands, you get the tools and materials then you proceed to make mistakes and screw things up and eventually, if you apply your
mind, you learn how to make it right. I consider that I had an advantage over many who start this, I am a carpenter and had many of the tools needed and knew
how to use them. Rod making is basically just woodworking on a small scale, the same principles apply.
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