Anyone here with a Terenzio use the grease he supplies? How does it compare to Mucilin? I broke in a Phoenix recently with the Red Mucilin which is a hard waxy
consistency. The Terenzio grease is like rubbing in a sticky Vicks Vaporub! Thanks, Steve
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Posts: 551 01/28/2009 20:35 |
It looks and feels like silicone to me. I don't use it as a result.
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Posts: 74 01/28/2009 20:46 |
Thanks seattle. I've already put a few coats in. Can I just switch to red mucilin, or do I remove the grease? With turpentine I presume? Thanks
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Posts: 163 01/29/2009 18:22 |
Naptha is the most effective common solvent available for silicon removal. Much better than turpentine.
I arrived at this empirically after many years as a furniture builder and restorer. TC |
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Posts: 75 01/29/2009 20:08 |
Ok, I googled this. It's white spirit, used to take paint off brushes? Will this damage the finish of the silk line? What is the harm if I just leave it in
and put Mucilin over it? I guess it can't harm the line, otherwise Terenzio wouldn't ship the grease with his lines. Cheers again
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Posts: 76 01/30/2009 05:03 |
I am going to give it a once over with turpentine, as per Phoenix instructions then start with mucilin; I don't want to use anything without advice to find
out that the white spirit wrecks the finish. Cheers
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Posts: 1763 01/30/2009 09:42 |
I have four Terenzio silk lines obtained a couple years ago. When I first got them, I rubbed in a couple coats of the Terenzio grease and then fished the
lines. Since then, I've used EITHER the Terenzio line grease or Thebault line grease when I've recoated the lines and I've never removed the old
Terenzio grease before applying the Thebault line grease. Have had no problems with either of the products.
Cheers and Safe Fishing Bob |
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Posts: 554 01/30/2009 10:15 |
sevilla315 wrote:It's not so much that silicone harms the line, many believe it may harm the finish on bamboo rods. |
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Posts: 483 01/30/2009 12:43 |
I vaguely recall an old thread where it was established that the damage isn't to the finish immediately, but on any "if and when" redo is
required. Silicone evidently contributes to "fisheyes" on the surface coat.
I'm not worried about it....I use the supplied Terenzio floatant on my Terenzio lines and Red Mucillin on my NOS and refurb silks. r |
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Posts: 430 01/30/2009 14:23 |
Correct Ron, My major concern with silicone is on the rod if any varnish work is to be performed. If you've ever had the displeasure of encountering
it with varnish you'll see what I mean, I have. Be careful using any type of solvent on you silk line, I'd ask the seller/maker before using anything
or at the least test a small area. You also might just try cleaning it up with Albolene before switching to Mucilin, at the end of the season I clean my lines
with it. I used Albolene when switching from the Thebault grease to Mucilin on Thebault lines.
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Posts: 372 02/12/2009 18:14 |
seattlesetters wrote:Do you know it contains silicone or is it a guess? I hate to throw it away. |
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Posts: 586 02/12/2009 18:45 |
I don't know for sure, Pete. But it sure looks, feels and smells like it enough that I won't use it.
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Posts: 15 02/12/2009 20:30 |
I have a Terenzio line that I have fished for one season and used his supplied dressing. No issues of anykind. I have a phoenix on which I use mucillin but I
figure if Terenzio makes the lines and suggests his dressing its what I am going to use. Not sure what it is but it is an entirely different consistency than
mucillin for sure.
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Posts: 8 02/13/2009 17:04 |
Check with J.D. Wagner Rods. They build rods and sell the line.
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Posts: 52 02/14/2009 10:07 |
I've asked one of the dealers about it and did not get a definitive answer. I bought a used Terenzio line from Chris Carlin (Far North Rod Smiths), and he
told me it contains silicon. If there's any doubt, I wouldn't use it on a line intended for a bamboo rod. As mentioned, the issue is the potential
problems when refinishing a rod.
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Posts: 134 02/14/2009 14:32 |
Hello,
for 6 years now, I have been using Terenzio Zandri's lines with the grease that Terenzio provides with his lines. I never had problems with the varnish. I suggest to my customers to use his dressing grease for his lines. As to the silicone and the varnish problem, this is not a problem actually. The silicone has a neutral behaviour with the materials it comes in contact, otherwise it would not be extensively used in the medical field, consequently it cannot damage the rods varnish. As Mike and Ron correctly say the problem rises if you decide to re-varnish an object that came in contact with the silicone, which is very easy to happen as we are constantly in contact with products - for cleaning the house, for the car, the boat and so on - that contain silicone. This problem is well known by the Car Body Painters who have the problem of the "fisheyes" when painting a car. This problem also exists when a rod has to be re-painted (and this also happens for the vernishing of new rods) due to the environmental contamination from silicone. However the solution is a simple one: it is advisable to use the silicon cleaner that is used by Car Body Painters and that can be bought in any Car Body Painters products shop. If you want to substitute Terenzio's grease with Red Mucilin DO NOT clean the line with solvents, be it naphtha, turpentine or the likely. If you do so you are bound to spoil the line coat. Suffice it to clean several times the line with a clean, dry, soft cloth and then change the type of grease. In short your line will be Mucilin dressed. Regards, Marco ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ MOG Bamboo Rods- Italy www.bamboorods.it
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Posts: 53 02/14/2009 15:31 |
Marco, I really appreciate your response. I've known about the silicon cleaners used by auto painters but didn't know if it was a product suitable for
use on bamboo. Have you actually re-varnished a rod after using a silicon cleaner?
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Posts: 77 02/14/2009 16:08 |
Marco, thank you that is very helpful, and actually what I did. Curiously the Phoenix instructions say to clean their line after off season storage with a
cloth moistened with turps, but it does have a very different coating. Cheers
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Posts: 135 02/14/2009 19:05 |
"Have you actually re-varnished a rod after using a silicon cleaner?"
Yes, Geary, I re-varnished some rods after using a silicon cleaner without any problems. But furthermore, after 3 coats of varnish on new blank, I happened to find little "fisheyes" once the work was finished. Hence I had to use a sand paper 1000 and give another coat of varnish. Now, between one coat of varnish and the next one, after the previous one dried up, I clean with the silicon cleaner. And I never had again fisheyes. Sevilla, the Mike Brookes's Phoenix Lines are great lines, but the the coat is completely different from the Terenzio used in his lines. Regards Marco ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ MOG Bamboo Rods- Italy www.bamboorods.it
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Posts: 54 02/14/2009 19:15 |
mog wrote:Many thanks, Marco. It's nice to get information from someone who's had first hand experience with this. |
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Posts: 79 02/15/2009 12:28 |
Marco, yes I read somewhere that Mike has a synthetic varnish on the Phoenix. Someone should produce a silk care book, for all the different manufacturers,
because what's good for one is evidently not good for another (Terenzio et al)! Thanks again and Cheers, Steve
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