I can recall using sewing thread for tippet back in the late '60s when anything finer than 4X was difficult, if not impossible, to find.
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 Eric Peper |
Sewing Thread As Tippet | #21 | ||
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Posts: 126 02/05/2009 14:22 |
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Posts: 6838 02/05/2009 15:06 Bulldog1935 |
mtn wrote:a good friend is one the most noted salt flats guides on the Texas coast. He also does an amazing job presenting just how simple the task at hand can be - redfish always feed upwind, so always wade and fish downwind, which solves most of your casting problems. Sight-fishing redfish is in water less than knee-deep and thick with turtle grass. You're generally trying to get a fly down, but don't want to get your leader wound up in the turtle grass. For this activity he recommends always using a nylon leader because it floats, and always using a fluorocarbon tippet, because it sinks.
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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hauloholic2 |
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Posts: 58 02/05/2009 23:42 |
Interesting that we're on a bamboo site (not typically associated with being "inexpensive"), but many anglers consider the very weakest
connection between angler and fish -- the tippet -- to be something that we should economize on. I'm really not trying to bust anyone's chops either,
It's just hard for me to understand how 60 or 80 bucks worth of leader material would break ANY of us on this forum. If you don't like fluoro for some
technical reason, I understand that. But seems to me that you'd have to fish nearly every day, all day before you'd burn through enough tippet to break
the bank, wouldn't it?
We all prioritize differently, I guess... haul |
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DrLogik |
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Posts: 1598 02/06/2009 00:03 |
Damn Haul, why did you have to go and post a logiKal, common-sense comment like that??? Now you have me second-guessing myself...never a good
thing...
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WatercolorMan |
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Posts: 1289 02/06/2009 04:39 |
Haul good point, lets see a $2,000.00 rod and a $900.00 reel. . . No way tippet @ $12.00 that's way too much, I think I'll take up golf . . . greens
fees are how much . . . .
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cwood |
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Posts: 511 02/06/2009 09:55 |
We all choose what to blow our funds on. Thirty meters of tippet @12 bucks just seems high to me and the benefits just don't outweigh the cost IMHO,
but I mainly fish small wild trout streams that you can toss 4x mono and size 12 stimulators all day. Not exactly the type fishing that requires high tech
flouro. Not all of us fish 2k rods and 900 doller reels. A 500-800 doller rod with a 100 doller reel stretches it for some of us and pinching pennies
everywhere else is just common sense for me. One really nice rod is all many of us own, and we saved dearly to get it. Bulldog's example in the flats
sounds like a good situation where flouro is useful, it just doesn't sound like a good reason for me to switch to catch my 10 inch trout in the Southern
App mountains. Tailwater fishing may be a little different story, but I've been fishing them a long time and seem to catch fish. I fished with one fella
on this forum (and a darn good rod maker) and he consistently catches large tailwater fish on 8 and 9X mono. I never drop below 6X, but it shows that your
ability to fight large fish has a lot to do with how strong of tippet you need. He didn't play them to death either; just knows how to cusion the tippet
using his soft actioned bamboo. I said I sometimes use flouro made for spin fisherman, so I do see where it can be useful, but it cost just a little more
than a guide spool of umpqua. This is a good discussion and just one of those things that some folks are going to disagree on. Tight lines!
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flyslinger |
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Posts: 71 02/06/2009 10:20 |
Unless I'm fishing with size 18 midges or smaller, I use Cabela's No-Vis. A friend gave me some to use when I kept breaking fish off on Orvis
flourocarbon a few years back, and I now use it for all my freshwater fishing except the aforementioned small flies. I buy a spool of 4 or 6 pound test, and
split it with someone else. I don't suppose it is for everyone, but I've used it extensively for sub-surface fishing trout on the White and Little
Missouri Rivers in Arkansas and all my warmwater needs. Mono is the ticket for dry flies and any surface flies such as deer hair and popping bugs.
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Posts: 54 02/06/2009 22:45 |
I think Bull dog had it right floro sinks better than mono. Also it has better cut resistance than mono.
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nativebrownie |
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Posts: 654 02/07/2009 14:33 |
The invisible sewng thread ( clear and limp nylon used for sewing) fits my preferences because it sorta cuts to the basics of what I need, the spool holds oodles & oodles of yards (no run out), and (back to therapy) it makes me happy. Eric, Yes I have heard of others fishing sewing thread (not invisible) before the thin nylons were available. I wish I had thought of that many moons ago... I still have friends who smartly enough attach blackfly larva to white sewing thread and drift it downstream at a certain time of the year - now, they are enlightened...saw that in print somewhere - probably Borger... NB
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bulldog1935 |
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Posts: 6854 02/07/2009 16:41 Bulldog1935 |
the first nylon lines were opaque as the dickens, copying the silk lines they were touted to replace.
I've fished these things for fun in TX hill country reservoirs with 50' visibility and caught bass with them. I'm not sure that is the point. Mono is readily available for tippet in convent sizes and packaging. The obstinate person would be fishing the thread, while picking the simple stuff off the fly shop shelf indicates a certain relaxed attitude about the whole process. I'm still back to simple questions for tippet - does it float when I want or does it sink when I want and does it not break at my knots. If $20 gets me through a season on tippet, well, it's a lot less than I spend on other slices of the fishing pie. My personal system for nymphing is braided butt leader with fluorocarbon tippet. I like the braded butt because it holds mucilin and keeps my fly line tip from swamping. For dries, I switch to a furled leader with nylon tippet. But that's me.
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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WatercolorMan |
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Posts: 1290 02/07/2009 17:30 |
Truth is that 80% of my rods cost under $ 400 & I don't have one any where close to 2k . . .
I did go out and buy some Maxima Ultragreen and also Berkley Vanish just to try it out for myself. Great prices and it looks good, now for the field test. . . |
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krautcaster |
drown it for dries! | #32 | ||
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Posts: 134 02/10/2009 09:00 |
As paradox as it may sound at first: I want my tippet on a dry fly to sink! That´s why I only use fluoro as a tippet when fishing dries.
When you fish for educated trout in slower, calm waters, a floating tippet can kill you because the fish will detect the BULGE, the floating tippet creates in the surface. Fluoro is heavier than regular nylon and will sink into the surface if properly de-greased (THE most important tweak IMHO anyway...). As fluoro also breaks the light differently - supposedly closer to how water breaks the light - the fish seem to have a harder time seeing the tippet if it is subsurface and made of fluoro. This said, I only want my tippet to slightly sink in, not the full leader. A full fluoro leader would probably drown a small dry fly on a longer drift. As fluoro and reg. nylon don´t tie well (the harder fluoro sems to cut through the nylon) I use a tiny metal "Pitzenbauer" ring to connect them. They are pretty popular over here (Germany) but I haven´t really seen them in the USA or the UK. May have overlooked them but I am not aware that I ever saw them offered or used elsewhere. These little connectors are tiny, tiny, tiny and they can be APITA to handle but used in the appropriate size they will not interfere with the casting behaviour of your leader+tippet or sink your assembly too early. Another beneficial aspect of fluoro (at least for us fishermen...) is that it does not detoriorate with age. I heard that - other than reg. nylon - you can practically use the stuff forever. Good thing if you have a chance to buy bulk. VERY BAD thing for our stream environments, if you don´t collect your snip-off´s or worse. Good fishing! Andy |
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flyslinger |
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Posts: 74 02/10/2009 19:43 |
krautcaster wrote "I use a tiny metal "Pitzenbauer" ring to connect them. They are pretty popular over here (Germany) but I haven´t really
seen them in the USA or the UK. May have overlooked them but I am not aware that I ever saw them offered or used elsewhere. These little connectors are tiny,
tiny, tiny and they can be APITA to handle but used in the appropriate size they will not interfere with the casting behaviour of your leader+tippet or sink
your assembly too early. "
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Dewardian |
Flurocarbon | #34 | ||
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Posts: 54 02/13/2009 10:19 |
Just an endorsement for Berkley Vanish.
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nativebrownie |
Tippets and minimalism and hard times | #35 | ||
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Posts: 663 02/20/2009 12:28 |
Again, this idea has been posted in the forum before and I did read of it once in a pretty famous fishing author(definitely not after endorsements - seems
there are few authors left of that mind)... I have using Invisible Thread ,nylon sewing thread, for a few years now - maybe 300 yards for 1.99 USD - seems
like a 6x - great for rolling off those 36" tippets - wears well - ya have to be a little careful with knots and very very supple. I posted before on this
stuff. My minimalist side just loves the Concept.
Now, call it fate if you will, as I was about to leave a local Crafts Store (not finding my new spool of Invisible Thread), a helpful employee concerned that I did not find exactly what I wanted led me to some Coats Transparent Nylon (Quilters love it) - 300 yards for 1.99 USD AND it is availalable in size .005 and .004. 004. !!! now that made my day - perfect for the small hollows and ,yes, small wild fish that capture so much of my summer attention. From March till October the drill's the same there: #20 Adams Parachutes, #22 Adams, a 6.5 cane 2 weight, and one spool of Quilters thread ... now that makes sense to me... NB
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Posts: 272 02/24/2009 23:52 |
I buy Airflo G3 from England, I can get 100 meter spools for $10 plus shipping, it's thiner and stronger then Rio or Frog's hair too. All I can find in
the US is 50 meter spools for $17.99
The man who coined the phrase "Money can't buy happiness", never bought himself a Bamboo fly rod!
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flyflingerandy1 |
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Posts: 33 02/25/2009 02:18 |
What is the breaking strength of the Invisible Thread? I like that concept.
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Posts: 671 02/25/2009 21:50 |
Andy,
I really never thought about it before - so i figure that must be good as the strength has held up for me. Now, no doubt about it, I only can dream of trophy fish in my area of the country. So, I just did a simple(rudimentary, I agree) test - pulling a 30 inch piece between my hands. Well, the .005 Coats held up fine - sorta just below my 6X SA material and the .004 fell right below my 7X SA material. This was just my impression. I do feel that one must be careful with knots - yet the big difference is how supple this thread stuff is - perhaps that dooms it to be less strong? I do know that old material is real sensitive to age. I never use a spool of Invisible Thread from one year to the next. Well, I do envy those who can have trophy fish in their sights, I would then probably use the high end string stuff. But I do remember a knowledgable poster who earlier mentioned the stuff also - and he does live in "the country of long trout." A 13'' wild Brown has me singing all the way home... NB
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