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Parks Fly Shop in Gardiner Montana | #21 | ||
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Posts: 1117 01/29/2009 12:37 |
Parks has a product called Fly Sauce. Been using it for 40 years. It is good and it does not damage the finish on a bamboo fly rod. I buy it in bulk and all
of the board members who come to Montana refill their bottles. It is great - cleans the fly and floats it fine. Do not smoke around it though. Contains
carbon tet. You must keep it warm the parafin solidifies in cold weather. It is great here in Montana todoy highs in the plus thirties
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gmflyfish |
Parks Fly Shop in Gardiner Montana | #22 | ||
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Posts: 1117 01/29/2009 12:37 |
Parks has a product called Fly Sauce. Been using it for 40 years. It is good and it does not damage the finish on a bamboo fly rod. I buy it in bulk and all
of the board members who come to Montana refill their bottles. It is great - cleans the fly and floats it fine. Do not smoke around it though. Contains
carbon tet. You must keep it warm the parafin solidifies in cold weather. It is great here in Montana todoy highs in the plus thirties
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Posts: 826 01/29/2009 12:39 Moderator |
DrLogik-- sent you a PM
Thanks, Tom |
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eastprong |
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Posts: 418 01/29/2009 13:50 |
Art Flick, in his classic Streamside Guide..., talks about dissolving mucilin in carbon tetrachloride as a floatant.
Carbon tetrachloride was widely used in dry cleaning, before it was discovered just how nasty the stuff is on human health.
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Posts: 1274 01/29/2009 14:34 |
Over the years I have used either Green Mucilin or Albolene. They work well.
Maker of light line nodeless bamboo fly rods
avardanis@sympatico.ca |
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krautcaster |
Red Mucilin is a winner! | #26 | ||
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Posts: 133 01/29/2009 16:54 |
Didn´t someone ask about how Red Mucilin performs with flies somewhere in this discussion?
I like it a lot as a fly floatant too, allthough it can be a pain to carry in high temperatures. As I use it to dress my silk lines I carry a tin of the stuff anyway so it´s also pretty economic for me. (Dumped my vest last year after a friend´s kids ran to me streamside, mistaking me for their dad. I had to take off my shades to convince them that I was not him. With our caps, vests, waders, nets and polaroids we looked identic like 2 cloned star troopers. Changed my vest for a vintage Tweed jacket after the incident...) Cheers, Andy |
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DrLogik |
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Posts: 1588 01/31/2009 23:08 |
Andy,
I had heard that some guides out west put red tin mucilin in white gas to make a liquid. Have not tried or tested it but it sounds as though it should work pretty well. |
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Oldflies.fiberglassflyro... |
Fly Floatant | #28 | ||
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Posts: 1 02/02/2009 00:00 |
Try some Rain-X, it even works on cdc. My thought was that anything that stays so well on a windshield, would have to work on a fly. You can also soak your fly
prior to fishing, it works for me.
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Posts: 838 02/02/2009 08:26 Moderator |
This forum never ceases to amaze me! Thanks for all these responses. I have made up some of the Bergman formula and conducted my own limited experiment.
DrLogic, you were right. Fly pops back to surface like a cork! I'll be testing some of the other formulas/products mentioned here also. Oldflies, welcome
to the forum. Hadn't thought of the RainX, but I'm going to try it! If that stuff can make it rain backwards, should work like a charm.
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corlay.fiberglassflyro... |
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Posts: 26 02/23/2009 18:05 |
DrLogik wrote:I want to believe! I even have my 1 quart mason jar, and an old ~1oz. Bayer aspirin bottle (glass with metal screw cap...) at the ready... but, where to buy white gas/naptha? I went to my local Gander Mountain store today, and no Coleman fuel. They did have a lot of "K-1" kerosene, that the label lists for lantern/stove use. Is that the same thing? ***UPDATE*** Ok, I found some Coleman's fuel @ Dick's Sporting Goods. Problem solved...
"From my observations I think that most of us spend too much time worrying about our tackle and too little time
learning the intimate characteristics of the fish and streams we fish most."
- Ray Bergman
Trout, New York: Knopf 1938
Last Edited By: corlay 02/23/2009 21:01.
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oneculm |
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Posts: 481 02/23/2009 18:22 |
Any decent hardware store sells naptha.
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Posts: 1119 02/23/2009 19:37 Deeply Shallow |
I fish primarily CDC and snowshoe hare so I use Frogs Fanny and love it.
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gloucesteroldspot |
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Posts: 7 02/23/2009 22:08 |
Back in the early 1970s that great English inventor of fishing tackle Dick Walker got together with a chemist friend, Arnold Neave (who'd developed many of
his photographs used in his Angling Times column) and created a product called Permaflote. It consisted of paraffin wax, dimethicone and silicone dissolved in
carbon tetrachloride, and was sold in little wide-topped glass jars so you could dip your fly in. It was finally taken off the market about ten years ago due
to health concerns over the carbon tet content, which was a great shame, because this stuff really waterproofed a fly, permanently. It wouldn't make a
badly designed fly float (nothing will) but it completely impregnated the fibres with silicone and paraffin. Walker himself used to keep a couple of his Red
Sedge and Ghost Swift Moth patterns immersed in the jar until he needed them. It only took about five minutes for the solvent to to dry off, whereupon
they'd float all day long. The stuff was unaffected by temperature (except the solvent took slightly longer to evaporate in cold weather) and it did not
change the colour of the fly.
Walker was also involved in devising a range of subsiduary products; Permagrease - a line grease specially formulated for use on PVC line; Permaplas - a line treatment containing a plasticising agent which, when applied to a PVC line that was showing the first signs of stiffening up, made it almost as limp and supple as a silk line; and Permasink - a leader preparation containing Fuller's Earth, glycerine and a wetting agent. All three are still available. A substitute for Permaflote, called Permaflote II, was released (though it had nothing to do with Walker, who passed away in 1985) but it was awful; ninety-nine percent white spirit to judge by the smell and the greasy film any fly treated with it gave off. |
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Posts: 1611 02/23/2009 23:14 |
Carbon Tet was great stuff for utility but had a sinister side also. I think that old Orvis Superflote utilized carbon tet....it sure smells like it...sweet
and arromatic.
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Posts: 264 02/25/2009 10:11 |
I'm a Gink user, and a fan of the stuff.
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Posts: 657 02/25/2009 15:24 |
Frog's Fanny = hydrophobic fumed silica. Available online for $4-5/quart bag (lifetime supply). Used to thicken epoxy. Add about equal amount of silica gel
crystals (the finer the better) as dessicant (drier) and you can dry and float your dries - same stuff as in fly shop formulas.
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Posts: 45 02/27/2009 22:36 |
ttrotter wrote:Preferably in a Mason Jar with a glass lid. Have you ever noticed leave a can of White Gas sitting around to long it will get less and less without ever opening the metal container, when you buy it make sure you get a full can.  
Fishing is not a matter of life and death; IT IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT! |
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LuckyStrikeV |
Firehole Gink ... Yellowstone | #38 | ||
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Posts: 128 02/27/2009 23:39 |
Seeing this thread made me think about a great time back in the 80's when myself and my favourite flyfishing pal (my Dad) and I fished for the 1st time on
the Firehole river.
It was a smokin hot day in June, but was a fair bit cooler when we started out that morning. Anyone who has fished the West Yellowstone area knows how incredibly primal the area is. Herds of elk, bison and various creatures roam virtually undisturbed, except by a few tourists who dare to get too close to take the perfect picture. The landscape is unlike any area in the world I have travelled , with steaming geysers, boiling water flowing like crystal springs from the bedrock, and beautiful rivers/streams full of wild cutthroat. Dad and I stopped at a scenic spot on the Firehole and decided to give the river a try. I recall fishing for a couple hours, landing some beautiful, albeit small cutties and having a grand time! The cool morning soon broke into a glorious , warm day and eventually we wandered back to the truck to grab a bite of lunch. As we neared our vehicle, a large, dark car approached and pulled in behind the truck. A well dressed fellow , curious as to our success emerged from his Caddy, and asked us about the fishing. Dad and I were always happy to share our success stories and we chatted for a while on the pleasures of fly fishing in Yellowstone. The question of how do you keep your flies floating was asked at some point and we both went on and on about our favourite potion ... Gerke's Gink. Dad unhooked his elk hair caddis from the hookeeper and as he peered through his magnifiers, demonstrated how one applied the "GINK" This was a real lesson on how the formula changes consistency with temperature. The long walk back to the truck, combined with body heat and the now 80 deg. day, aperantly liquefied the said GINK and moments after Dad slid off the cap and applied pressure to the bottle, approx. 75% of the contents squirted out onto the gentleman's suit lapel. He was most cordial as he wiped it off ,but it disappeared rapidly and soaked in and he was still interested in our demonstration, on the GINK procedure, despite the accident! I'll never forget that moment. Yes, the stuff is difficult to get out of the bottle, when cold, but add heat and it's a whole new experience. Later on our way back home to Canada, Dad and I figured if that fellow ever fell overboard while crossing the Atlantic,and wearing that suit he would float forever! Yep, Dad, you sure Ginked that guy, good!!! I think we named him "BOB" Tight Lines to my Dad and all you GINK fans......
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corlay.fiberglassflyro... |
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Posts: 35 03/23/2009 10:48 |
DrLogik wrote:I mixed-up my first (very small - 1.5oz.) batch as a test, over the weekend. question: so what consistency am I shooting for with this mixture? light on the parifin to keep it pretty liquid? or more parafin to get more of a wet-globby-pastey consistency? Thanks! |
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Posts: 1628 03/23/2009 11:20 |
Corlay,
It should be like water, not at all viscous. I use naphtha actually. My stuff is clear and liquid when it's a fresh batch. |
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"floatant applicator"
(see picture ) which allows me to apply the floatant without touching it, or the fly. The little brush also makes it possible to apply the floatant selectively
to the wing, abdomen and tail/shuck depending on the parts of the fly I want on the surface and those that I want to sink into the film. I have used these
floatants on flies down to #26 midge emergers.
