8 1/2 foot for 6 weight cane rod?

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Eperous		#21	[url]	[-]
Posts: 23 03/02/2009 20:31	Gmflyfish, Thanks.... but I currently own two Orvis Battenkills - very nice rods - and am looking for a rod by a maker I don't have.... Ed
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bob2935	8'6 for a six	#22	[url]	[-]
Posts: 791 03/03/2009 00:03	The eight foot six is my favorite lenght rod for large and medium sized streams. In my collection I own a Taylor 8'6 for a six, Schroeder 8'6 for a six, Winston Twin Bridges 8'6" for a six and a Bolt 8'6" for a six plus an older Battenkill 8'6" for a six though for me it is a five. All the rods above are remarkable but my favorite 8'6" for a six is a rod built for me by Ted Simroe two years ago. I really do not understand why it just out casts the other rods but there really is no comparison for me. All the rods above are two piece rods. Bohemianbob
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appgap	DF Special	#23	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1114 03/03/2009 09:05	I have a Phillipson EM Hunter Approved 8'6" that has the same taper as the DF Special. It is a GREAT 6 weight rod and I have used it to land some beasts in Georgia (ask Ted Golden). They can be found cheap. Mine was ~ $280 in that place a few years back. I will never sell it.
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gmflyfish	8'6" Bamboo	#24	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1135 03/03/2009 09:28	Depends on where you fish. The wide and windy rivers in montana require a little stouter rod - Winston or Sweetgrass or Howells. Slower action for streamer fishing could be something else....Thought about a F. E. Thomas streamer?
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Eperous		#25	[url]	[-]
Posts: 26 03/03/2009 21:27	Appgap, That's some endorsement.... thanks... Back in the '80's I sold all of the cane - including a Leonard & Winston - that I owned... at least I had the foresight to keep my GH Howells.... now, I'm trying to climb back aboard this cane train.... Ed
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Eperous		#26	[url]	[-]
Posts: 27 03/03/2009 21:31	Gmflyfish, Catskills and Adirondacks of NYS.... streams perhaps 100 feet wide and stillwater ponds.... not looking for slow and soft, but rather medium fast action to punch a streamer through wind.... Ed
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birddog		#27	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13 03/04/2009 07:48	Do not compare the Limestone special with some of the slower battenkills, which are fine in their own right,but the limestone special is a very versitile rod,you should cast one.
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Eperous		#28	[url]	[-]
Posts: 28 03/04/2009 21:00	Leo, Thanks.... I think you hit this nail square on the head.... I currently own several cane rods, including two Battenkills myself - one of which dates back to 1951. I don't want to part with any of my bamboo, ever again, as they ALL fit a need - real or otherwise - for fishing just about any day of the NYS season, which runs from 4/01 through 11/30 on waters I frequent. Furthermore, I live in the Catskills close to several wild trout streams, and am very lucky in that my wife is very understanding and doesn't mind me fishing over 100 days a year, most times 2-3 hours a trip. With all that said, I am gathering input on a "niche" rod, a rod I might fish 4 times a year, less than 4% of the time. Most of my current rods were built by active craftsman now: Thramer, Weiler, Pickard, Orr, plus one by the late GH Howells, and the two Orvis. I don't want to spend a lot of money on this new acquistion, and I am looking for a piece of "blue collar bamboo Americana." All of the suggestions are good ones, and I appreciate the effort put forth to make them. But, they all don't meet my stated criteria. I am certainly leaning towards a Heddon, Phillipson, Granger, or something of that bent. I started this thread by stating an 8 foot 4 weight Garrison just arrived that Art Weiler built. It took me a year to pull the trigger on that purchase even though I loved the feel of that rod from the day I picked it up. However, I should note that during that 12 month hiatus I did manage to acquire a 6' 8" FE Thomas Fairy 3 weight built by AJ Thramer - sweet, and on the other end of what I am seeking now. For me the quest honing in on a new bamboo purchase is almost as much fun as owning the rod itself. This will probably my last purchase - although I've said that before - so I want to take my time, gathering input and trying different rods. Once again one and all, thanks for the input. Ed
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freestoner.fiberglassflyro...		#29	[url]	[-]
Posts: 139 03/06/2009 01:00	8 1/2' 6 weights are some of the most common "production rod" tapers out there. There are a lot of 8 1/2' Bristol/Gene era Edwards 6 weight rods, for instance. Although I haven't tried any myself, the high-grade Montagues like the Red Wing and Manitou are well-regarded 6 weights. The higher grade South Bend rods like the 24, 323, and 346 rated for D or HDH lines are all 6 weights. So are some of the earlier South Bend "Cross" double-built rods, although those are most often found as 9 footers. The 8 1/2' Edwards-built rods (there are a lot of trade rods not marked as Bristol or Edwards, probably most of the ones around) usually run from around $250 for the trade rods built for tackle shops, to $600 for marked Gene Edwards models or the top grade Bristol, the F-18. You can go over to the Appraisals & ID section to see an example of one right now. The larger ferruled models, like that Stoddard Boston pictured over there, are nice punchy 6-weights. When made by Bristol, they're usually marked as FB models, instead of F models, to denote the heavier weight. If you search through there, you'll also find some nice examples of the Montague Red Wing. Montague Red Wings are usually about $200, unless in pristine condition, in which case they may get perhaps $100 more. Like I say, I haven't ever cast the highest grade Montagues (usually denoted by the hand-welted nickel silver ferrules and generous complement of guides.) But I've had 8 1/2' Montague Rapidans that were just cannons, great for doing things like throwing streamers into the wind. That's maybe a bit heavier taper than what you're looking for, more of a WF7- I gather that the Red Wing Light Trout taper would probably be a better choice. Last Edited By: freestoner 03/06/2009 03:39. Edited 3 times.
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fishbates		#30	[url]	[-]
Posts: 162 03/06/2009 02:24	i think homer jennings makes a great 8 1/2 5/6wt rod, i also just love my gillum 8 1/2 thou a bit pricy, and of course i think the 205 payne is a great rod though hard to find dave
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mattcliff	Dickerson?	#31	[url]	[-]
Posts: 78 03/07/2009 13:23	Can someone who has fished a Dickerson 8614, or a comparable taper in 3-piece, weigh in? I have also been casually searching for a powerful 8.5 #6, and this is where I thought I'd start. Matt Last Edited By: mattcliff 03/07/2009 13:46. Edited 1 time.
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LHW		#32	[url]	[-]
Posts: 136 03/07/2009 16:14	I fish a 861812 built by Jim Schaaf on a Dickerson made blank. It is a powerfull #6/7, will handle any trout and I've also landed Atlantic salmon up to 12 lbs with it. LHW
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freestoner.fiberglassflyro...		#33	[url]	[-]
Posts: 156 03/07/2009 19:04	Good Lord- what is that, a tuna?
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mattcliff	LHW	#34	[url]	[-]
Posts: 79 03/07/2009 23:06	That baby is spectacular! And the fish looks nice, too. Does the rod load well with a DT6, or does it feel underlined at closer ranges? I don't suppose you have a taper? Matt
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RPL	8 1/2 ft. Dickerson	#35	[url]	[-]
Posts: 134 03/07/2009 23:50	The Dickerson 861711, an 8 1/2 ft., 5/6-weight, was one of Dickerson's best selling tapers -- and for good reason. It's a 3-piece rod well-suited to medium and big waters. It's a versatile and beautiful caster and mends with precision. As is the case with many of Dickersons's rods, he made the 861711 in a number of variations, with some having a smaller butt and slightly heavier mid-section and vice versa. I don't know who best replicates this taper today, but several modern makers list the 861711 in their repertoires. Thramer and Streamer come to mind, but I'm not certain. It's generally considered a 6-weight rod, with the Granger 8642 being just a hair lighter. I think it would be hard to find a nicer 8 1/2 ft. 6-weight. With it, you can make your line curl and dance -- or make tight loops to help counter the wind. Puts your dry fly, nymph, streamer, terrestrial, or whatever wherever you want it. I think the 8614 was more of a 5-weight and was not made in great numbers. The 2-piece version of the 861711 is probably the 8615, and I don't know who makes that taper today. Of course, the best way to determine what rod is best for you is to go out and cast a few, but the 861711 would be a serious contender. Last Edited By: RPL 03/08/2009 00:04. Edited 1 time.
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LHW		#36	[url]	[-]
Posts: 137 03/08/2009 04:29	861812 "For the angler with a strong right arm or for bait and spinners." (Dickerson 1938) Here's the taper (measured over varnish): 0 0,070 5 0,092 10 0,114 15 0,135 20 0,157 25 0,163 30 0,168 33 0,184 37 0,193 40 0,201 45 0,225 50 0,244 55 0,268 60 0,278 65 0,279 71 0,280 75 0,291 80 0,305 85 0,324 90 0,345 Dickerson catalog says 5 oz, this one weighs 5 3/8 oz. Originally it was intended for C-lines; I fish it with #6 and #7 lines, both DT and WF. The tip loads nicely even with a #6 close in but the whole glory is revealed in somewhat longer casts. The action is effortlessly smooth but powerful and easily aerilizes even a very long line. I think that in the picture below the line coming from the Winston 3 3/8 is a WF-6. The fish is a Russian Atlantic salmon that accidentally took while I was fishing for brown trout with a Marabou Muddler. LHW
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mattcliff	LHW:	#37	[url]	[-]
Posts: 81 03/08/2009 13:10	Thank you for sharing that. That will be the taper of my first rod, as soon as I move out of this lovely urban apartment and am reunited with my tools. Matt
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singlebuilt	8.5' 6wt.	#38	[url]	[-]
Posts: 80 03/08/2009 15:13	Fishbates is right about Homer Jennings making an 8.5', 5/6wt. I took delivery of mine last summer. Its a 3pc., a real cannon with a 6wt. line, but I have never tried it with a 5. I have been very happy with it.
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