I know this is personal opinion, as is most of what we do in this affliction we suffer with, but if you had to choose one of the Catskill streams to fish in late May, which one and why?
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Slate Drake 9 |
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I didn't want to further hijack the thread on places to stay in the Roscoe area for fishing. I was planning on staying at the Beaverkill Campground right
on the Beaverkill until the state decided not to operate it this year. Now I'm searching for a new place to stay and am finding several options for
campgrounds. I've never been to the Catskills and feel I must wade those hallowed waters this year. I really hope to spend some time on each of them, but
I know myself and know that once I find one I like I will probably stick to it for the whole week.
I know this is personal opinion, as is most of what we do in this affliction we suffer with, but if you had to choose one of the Catskill streams to fish in late May, which one and why? Thanks.
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tim simbari |
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You're probably going to want to be on the Beaverkill, especially mid week with less of a NYC crew up there and the Willow is right there, so frankly you
might want to concentrate on those two. The big river has some great fish.
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Eric Peper |
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I'd recommend concentrating on the Delaware drainage: Beaverkill, Willowemoc and include a trip to the Delaware branches, if you wish. It's a
relatively short drive among the rivers over good road, while the Neversink and Esopus are well out of that zone. In my experience, these rivers produce more
reliable hatches and take less time for someone to "learn" them than the others, not mention that access on the Beaverkill and Willowemoc is a
no-brainer.
The Butternut Grove Campground on the Beaverkill has always appealed to me visually and location-wise, but I've never stayed there. Another, further upriver (just downstream of tailend of Wagon Tracks pool) is called IIRC Twin Islands Campground. Again, I've never stayed there, but the location is good. EP |
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DrLogik |
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Although not a local I have fished all of those rivers in the past as I make a yearly pilgramage up there...or try to. In my opinion, and it is mine alone,
the Neversink Unique Area is the most fun and enjoyable river to fish. In the many times I have been there I have only seen two people...and that was the time
I went with two other guys. It's just not fished much that I can see. It has a wonderful population of fish and strong fighters to!
Plus! Wolf Creek that runs parallel to the trail down to the river is a great little native brookie stream (just like the brookie streams here in North
Carolina mountains). Those little guys are loads of fun to catch! I mean, you throw a piece of fuzz from your shirt into the water they are all over it!
The Willow and Beav are great to but I like the solitude that the Neversink affords. |
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Cane Rods and Harleys |
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DrLogik wrote:What size rods do you use...will a 7'9" 5 wt be OK ??? I've never fished the Neversink, but would LOVE to give it a shot. Also, what is the best time of year to fish it?? Thanks, CR&H |
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luzerne1 |
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I am on these streams every week in May and June.
Twin Island Campground is closed and for sale they were flooded out. The Roscoe chamber's website lists some campgrounds http://www.roscoeny.com/Camping.htm I have never stayed in them so I can't comment on how good they are. Usually stay at the Reynolds House Butternut Grove is a nice place and great owners if you can get in. A 7' 9" rod is perfect for either stream. Check Catskill Flies website for hatches/river conditions they update daily in season. DON'T go on the weekend unless you love crowds. Good Luck |
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slate river |
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Slate Drake,
For 7 years now I have kept my camper at the Butternut Grove Campground on the Beaverkill. Its owned by Bernie and Jackie Yanen and they run a clean tight ship. They do at times allow a limited number of tent camping. Weekdays are best as weekends can obviously get very crowded. Send me a pm if you want more specifics. Good luck. Bob
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JeffK.fiberglassflyro... |
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Another option is the Covered Bridge Campground on the Willowemoc in Livingston Manor. Terry's on the East Branch is another fisherman friendly
campground. Late May is peak season so reservations are a good idea.
Late May/Early June is when the hatches on the freestone streams are at their peak. The tailwaters warm earlier and are cool in the summer, but late May is hatch time on the free stones. Where to go depends on weather, hatches, scenery, wind, time of day (direction of valleys matters - some parts will be in shade earlier than others) etc but here are a few comments. Beaverkill and Willowemoc No-Kill Sections are classics and are mainly brown trout water- the Willow is a little smaller and less crowded and I like it better. Cairn's Pool on the Beaverkill may be a zoo, but you have to stop there once. As always, a little walk can get you away from crowds. I like the lower No-Kill on the Beaverkill by Acid Factory and the Sunoco Station and Barnhart's at the top of the upper No-Kill. It's not hard to travel up and down the whole length of the No-Kill sections of the Willow and the Beaverkill. When you see a cloud of bugs - stop. By the concentrations of fly fishermen you may not think so, but the trout in the open areas will take flies too. The upper parts of the Willow above DeBruce start to have more of a mountain feel, but the fish are smaller in the less fertile upstream areas (a 12" fish is a large one) and there are more brookies. A lot of public access up there, even though it may not seem like it (a notable exception is the DeBruce Club Water). There are other small streams around if you ask and don't mind exploring. That's where the brookies will be. I like the Neversink Gorge - it is really special. I was a whitewater canoeist and the middle section is a Class V run. I also have relatives in the area and until the 1980's it was private club water - so the forbidden fruit attraction was there for me. There are a number of people that love it, but the walk in stops many. Occasionally there are trotliners down there. The gorge is right at the transition where it is about half browns and half smallies - and all grow big and tough. It's not stocked down there, so it is more a quality experience than a quantity experience. You head east on Rte 17 to the Red Hill exit to get to the most popular trail head. Upstream of Monticello along Rte 42 the Neversink is less scenic and is crammed with Orthodox camps, but doesn't draw many fly guys and does hold good fishing and a lot of public access. My TU chapter guys are slowly drifting to the Neversink due to the crowds on the Beaverkill and Willow. A section of the Neversink main stem called Camp Pines above the reservoir is going public and will give a taste of the Neversink of old (the main stem above the reservoir has been all private for generations). Roscoe is full of fly shops with Beaverkill Angler, Baxter House, and Catskill Flies being good. All have character and have friends and detractors as a result. Stop in them all and make up your own mind - it's part of the experience. The Fly Fishing Museum in Livingston Manor is also a good stop when the fishing is slow. One of the few places you will get to see a Murphy fly rod. Last time I was there you could still buy materials from Lee Wulff's or Poul Jorgenson's stock. Check the events - they have a good slate of tiers with strong Catskill roots. The water right in front of the museum is also good fishing. What to do if it rains? The small upstream areas like Mongaup Creek and the upper Willowemoc will clear earlier. Also, the top seven miles of the East Branch of the Delaware tailwater is mostly release water so it will stay clear. It is my favorite tailwater anyway. Most tailwater guys seem to like the West Branch more, but the upper E Branch is like a giant spring creek in a tight mountain valley. The WB is about an hour from Roscoe on 17 west. The upper East Branch is only 20 minutes away over Wildcat Mtn on Rte 206 North. The Neversink is about 45 minutes away from Roscoe on 17 east. The temptation to stick with a spot may be strong, but I suggest exploring. You will learn new things and different spots will be better depending on time of day/hatches/conditions. |
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ellensdad |
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JeffK, great post, thank you.
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DrLogik |
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Canerods,
I fish my 7 1/2 foot weight without any problems at all. That way, I can fish the little brookies and the big fish in the gorge. An 8 foot 5 weight would be fine to. I'd take whatever rod you have the most confidence with. Jeff wrote: There are a number of people that love it, but the walk in stops many. Occasionally there are trotliners down there. The gorge is right at the transition where it is about half browns and half smallies - and all grow big and tough. It's not stocked down there, so it is more a quality experience than a quantity experience. Couldn't agree more. The walk-in, even at a brisk pace, takes 15 minutes...downhill (going back up is tougher). That's why I fish Wolf creek most of the way down to the gorge. Not that I mind the brisk walk, but I'd rather fish beautiful brookie water than walk down a dirt path. By the way, presentation is key in the gorge. You'll only get one shot at the big boys. |
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luzerne1 wrote:Thanks for the clarification on Twin Island. Now that you've said it, I DO recall seeing mention of its demise somewhere, sometime. EP |
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Slate Drake 9 |
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Thanks for the info folks. This has been really helpful so far. I'm figuring on crowds the week I'm up there as it is Memorial Day week.
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luzerne1 |
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Eric, They reduced the price for Twin Islans to One million five would make a nice summer retreat for you.
Jeefk, Thanks for the post on the Neversink I have been over to it twice but never seriously. This season. |
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Eric Peper |
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luzerne1 wrote:Thankls, but I've already got a nice summer retreat midway between the Madison and the Henry's Fork. :-) EP |
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trouting |
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I agree with the advice above about keeping an open mind about where you will fish. One river may be on, another not, or the crowds may be concentrated on one.
That being said, I think it is always nice to have a focused plan to which flexibility is added. I would plan on the Beaverkill as the focus, because it is
consistent at that time of year, and, I think, is the most straightforward river to read - it has a classic freestone structure that makes sense. Also, Eric
Peper has written (or dictated) a brilliant guide to the Beaverkill ("Flyfishing the Beaverkill"). It is the best guide to any river I have read, and
reading that in advance will help you enjoy your time in the area. It will not only give you a head-start to understanding the river but will enrich your
experience of it more generally. Have a great trip! Lawrence PS if the crowds are too much I would second the Neversink gorge - it is wild and lonely.
Beautiful pocket water fishing. I have camped on adjacent state land and fished without meeting a soul.
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Blue Quill |
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The Beaverkill and the Willowemoc are right in Roscoe/Livingson Manor. If you camp I suggest staying at a state campsite in late May; it'll be less
crowded and less expensive.
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Eric Peper |
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trouting wrote:Thank you VERY much for those kind words. The little book was a fun project, and working/playing with Gary was always a joy. Chuck, I think the Beaverkill Covered Bridge Campground is slated to be closed this year. There is a petition currently being circulated on line to keep it open, but it is currently also on the list of state budget cuts. EP |
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luzerne1 |
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You are right Eric it is slated to stay closed in 2009. Let hope some pressure can change that decision. The area needs all of the fisherman they can get to
help the Catskill economy.
From the NY DEP website: PARK CLOSURE: In response to the continuing fiscal crisis of New York State, six DEC campgrounds with very low occupancy rates will not open for the 2009 camping season. These campgrounds are: Bear Spring Mountain, Beaverkill, Point Comfort, Poke-O-Moonshine, Sharp Bridge and Tioga Point. |
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teter |
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Is the Beaverkill Campground going to be closed even for parking and fishing access?
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luzerne1 |
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I doubt it will be closed for parking and fishing. I hope to get up to Roscoe this weekend I will try to find out.
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Slate Drake 9 |
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Thanks again for the further info.
I had reservations made at the Beaverkill Campground and came home from work one day to a voice mail message saying that the park will be closed to camping this year due to financial issues. The message made a point to say that the park wasn't closed to use, just camping.
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