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Chartist1 |
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I recently bought two new Phoenix silks in DT5 and DT6....Haven't cast them....Curious what the experience is out there.
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j2t |
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yes...a 4 and a 5.....love 'em!
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Marty |
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I have a phoenix and 2 terenzio lines I fish pretty regularly both are of superb quality. The Phoenix is a bit stiffer and a little more authoritative in the
wind. Really makes my 9053 Granger talk ( I have the 7wt Salmon line liked the idea of a bit more line to cast if I ever needed it but never have). A bit of
extra bother compared to 444 or sylk but a really pleasant relaxing way to fish. Makes me feel like Grandad is looking over my shoulder I still have his line
cleaner (kind of a leather wallet with felt pads in it smear mucillin and pull the line through) Great lines!!! I have never used Thebault but understand
they are top notch as well...
Life is too short for cheap scotch and plastic rods.
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RPL |
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Recently fished a new straw-colored DT 5-weight Phoenix on an 9 ft. FE Thomas from the 1920s. Great combination. Phoenix is impeccable. I much prefer silk
lines because the smaller diameter cuts down on air resistance. It's better suited to older rods with small guides designed for silk. It's generally
more subtle and your casting loops will be tighter. A non-greased silk line acts as a sinking line. A non-greased tip acts like a sink tip. Looks great.
Google this topic and you can read up on the wonders of silk. That said, I believe there is controversy over the accuracy of the stated line weights on
Phoenix. I have not had any problems, but others have said that the stated weights seem to be about one weight lower than those of standard plastic lines
like Cortland. So some would contend that if you need a 5-weight line, you should use a 6-weight Phoenix. There is a thread somewhere that discusses this
issue. My thought is that silk lines might pick up a bit more water than plastic so the weight tends to increase, bringing it in line with the standard. You
also add weight when you apply mucillin to silk.
Silk does require more maintenance. You need to dry it after use and clean it more carefully that you would a plastic line. It can pick up dirt and grit more easily than plastic does, depending on mucillin use and the environs in which you fish. If you're fishing from a sandy shore, for example, and the line falls on the ground when you strip it in, it could pick up grit, which could affect your guides more readily than plastic.
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seattlesetters |
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I fish DT-4 and DT-5 Phoenix lines as my "go to" lines. I absolutely love them, for all the reasons stated above. One I'd add is they pick up off
the water much easier than plastic, and I actually feel as if i haven't worked as hard after fishing them. I like that, since I derive quite a bit of
pleasure from fly fishing and enjoy a quiet, relaxing experience.
I have noticed some Phoenix lines being a tad light. It doesn't bother me enough to make me run out and buy anything else, though. |
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Chartist1 |
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one of my Phoenix lines has a couple of bumps you can feel, not see so easily, when you run the line through your fingers....It's probably a bit of extra
coating....anyone else notice this?
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creakycane |
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If you have a rod that feels sluggish with a peach 444 in the appropriate line size, try a silk line and it may improve the rod performance considerably. Some
rods it does not matter much --- and other rods I have seem to be powrful enough to work better for me with peach 444's --- Jenkins, Jennings and Summers,
foe example.
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warrick |
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I'm cuious if your Phoenix line "bumps" tend to bend and hinge at those points?
I have a brand new line (though it was manufactured many years ago) with a slight bump and the line tends to fold/hinge at that point. Anyone else? |
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RPL |
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If you have a line bump, you might want to zero in on that portion of the line and try to run it through your fingers at a 90 degree angle to smooth it out.
The weave in the silk might have become tighter in that part of the line but sometimes you can work out that tightness by redistributing it throughout the
surrounding weave. Hope that helps.
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mtn |
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Not to hijack anyones thread but those of you who have fished Phoenix lines do you feel they are true to weight or are they a bit light? and if so a full line
weight? I currently fish Thebaults and also wondered how the 2 compare as well in regard to weight and suppleness (broken in Thebaults) for anyone who have
fish both.
Thanks, Mike |
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magguscdc |
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Hi,
so far I have no experience in fishing silk lines. However, I will try it soon. I am looking for a silk line which is equivalent to a DT5 plastic line. I can imagine that Muciline and water might have a significant impact on the line weight as discussed above. So is a Phoenix DT5 ok? How about WF silk lines? I am happy about any comments/recommendations/opinions... :-) so long Markus |
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doloresboy |
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The 2 Phoenix lines I have run almost a full weight light. So I fish a 6wt. on my 5 wt. rods and a 5 wt. on my 4wt. rods.
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seattlesetters |
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doloresboy wrote:Mine are pretty light, too. Not quite a full line weight, but close. |
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ttrotter |
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My Phoenix 5wt DT actually runs at the very low end of the 5wt range. I even have a 4wt rod it works well on. Great lines, but you just need to be aware that
they do tend to run on the lighter side of the range.
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bob2935 |
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I purchased two new Phoenix silk lines with great anticipation but was sorely disappointed. I did not find that they cast any better than my plastic lines.
They required constant maintenance and my biggest issue is that my silks constantly twisted from casting. They were always corkscrewing while fishing. I
brought this up on the forum and get some great suggestions but nothing worked. One person suggested that I should stand on a high roof and let it uncoil
bellow me. I understand that they require more attention but that is where I drew the line literally. I put both up for sale and of coarse they sold quickly.
Keep in mind that sound of the silk running through your guides is not all that magical. It is really the sound of the line wearing down your guides. I have had too many builder's tell me stories on how they have to replace the guides on their rods simply due to the fisherman using silk lines. Over years of use silk lines do wear down your guides much quicker than plastic lines. Not a fan but obviously many die hards do not agree. I love my Cortland Sylk lines for cane and ton's avid fisherman really hate those lines. bohemian bob
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I agree, they tend to be light, at least from the few experiences I've had with them. I'm on the side of the fence that thinks they are too much
hassle to deal with and I really didn't see any casting benefits. To each his own, but if you do buy one be aware of the weight issue.
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RPL |
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LEO -- Interesting points. I haven't had any problem with Phoenix line weights either, but others have. I wonder if this is connected to the (mostly
graphite) fly rod industry's tendency to design tapers to achieve faster and faster line speeds. In the course of these efforts by rodmakers, line makers
compensate by designating as "5-weight," for example, various lines that are actually heavier than the 5-weight standard. In the meantime, rod
tapers designed for those false "5-weight" lines become even faster as rod designers try to catch up. This focus on achieving faster line speeds in
the grpahite industry might be at the heart of this phenomenon. The cycle continues until the lines become almost a full size heavier than designated; weight
designations on rods, too, become skewed to the upside. In the meantime, the original standards fall by the wayside. Faster line speed is not necessarily a
virtue, of course, but it becomes a touchstone for industry claims of better technology -- along with lighter and lighter rods made of graphite composites.
Last year's rods are overtaken by "faster, lighter and better" models. Sales expand. Fly fishing becomes aerobic. Eventually the affect of
these distorted line designations spill over into the world of cane rods, and we scratch our heads wondering why.
I fish graphite rods in salt water and invariably over-weight the rod, i.e., fish a 9-weight (or heavier) line on an 8-weight rod. Rods seem to cast slower and easier that way while achieving excellent distance. I first came to this realization when I went to fish with my 8-weight rod and mistakenly, though serendipitously, brought along a reel with 9-weight line. Out on the flat, I was pleasantly surprised at how much better I was casting. I believe that many others overweight their graphite these days. At some point, the industry should, I suppose, as a service to fly fishers, bring line and rod designations back to some kind of standard so we aren't chasing our tails trying to buy the right line for the rod or the right rod for the line.
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ttrotter |
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Just to clarify, when I refered to "light", I was refering to the weight of the 1st 30' of line in grns. as weighed on my digital grain scale.
Then looking at the AFTMA ranges.
LEO, your points are spot on and all of this just continues to muddy the water for us grass fishermen. I love my Phoenix as well as the other silk lines I fish! I've about given up plastic altogether! I rarely pay attention to what weight the rod is rated for- I just keep trying lines on the rod until I find the "sweet spot" for my style of casting and the particular stream I'm fishing. Regards, Tom |
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seattlesetters |
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ttrotter wrote:That's what I mean by "light," as well. I don't measure any other dimension besides the weight of the first 30'. I also do the ame as you, Tom, for determining what line I'll be fishing on a rod. The answer is always, "The one I like best" whether the weight of that line is the same that's written on the rod, or not. Ironically, Phoenix lines seem to hit that "sweet spot" for me a very generous portion of the time, with most all rods. I think that's a testament to their quality and "fishability" right out of the box. |
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Chartist1 |
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Took my Phoenix DT6 for a yard test drive. I used my Pickard 795 for the test run. I loved the way the line zipped through the guides. I didn't notice any
noise. The 795 is a parabolic rod for dry fly fishing with a lively tip. The DT6 might have been a bit heavy for it.....
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doloresboy |
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Leo: My new cane rods like the Phoenix lines just as much as my old cane rods! No confusion for me.
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