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Posts: 61 03/10/2009 21:47	Tags : None What does any one know on the options of payne rods, i know they produced standard cane color, flamed ($25 more according to catelogue) and mahogany (not listed but noted by many rod restorers? I think i have a mahogany rod my 104l rod which if so makes it quite rare, so im curious as to others who might have one, taking it with to sisters oregon to confirm this spring i will take pics and post them soon. dave
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Mainiac		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 683 03/11/2009 08:57	Dave, as you know I have seen this rod having handled it before you bought it. I'll give you my opinion and you can take it for what it's worth... The "Dark rod" option was given in the 1920's and early 30's when Payne was transitioning from straw colored rods. It was the only time any option at all was given on Payne rods other than reel seat choices. I own every Payne catalog published and there was never a "Mahogany" treatment offered in them. Like most makers, I'm sure Payne experimented from time to time with treatments. Some people who have seen a good number of Paynes know that there are some around from a certain period that have this dark, almost reddish coloration. I have seen more than a few and I would not consider this feature "rare". My guess is this coloration variation is on rods from the 40's . I have no definitive data to support this other than aging them from past experience. If you contact Hoagy Carmichael or Walt Carpenter, I think they will tell you the same thing I just did. All this aside, there is no question this rod a is a beauty. I will not hide the fact that I regret not buying it when I had the chance. Last Edited By: Mainiac 03/11/2009 09:38. Edited 1 time.
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shorty		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7 03/11/2009 09:48	Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Agate stripper was an option .
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gofish60		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1953 03/11/2009 09:57 Registered User	Not sure about the stripper being an option, because most early Payne's I've seen had a red agate stripper, but the agate tip tops were an option in the earlier catalogs. gofish
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Posts: 164 03/11/2009 17:35	Yep i dont believe the agate stipper was an option, the flaming was as noted in some catelogues, the mahogany was never offered in writing but Steve Blake has a payne rod and its a mahogany rod and a few dealers have come accross them, It would be great to talk to Walt but i dont have that connection but will ask someone who does talk with him frequently dave
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kmgunn		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 630 03/12/2009 09:37	i have little to offer these days as i have been struggling against the forces of gravity due to a chronic case of socialist dwarfism (not to be confused with social dwarfism {simtimbarepsteinbarsyndrome}). i am however feeling exceptionally willful today; and have discovered a small footstool that will help me reach my keyboard-if not quite see the screen. I have a rod like the one described. Dave Decker told me that there was a brief period where Payne tried out this color when some materials were sparse, but was not satisfied with the uniformity in color. He said the rods were made during the WW II era. He said Payne gave them the distinct (and memorable) marketing moniker- "dark". In today's used market, these rods are often referred to as "the rare mahogany rods" by sellers, whereas potential buyers often label them as "burnt". Last Edited By: kmgunn 03/12/2009 09:44. Edited 1 time.
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tim simbari		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 322 03/12/2009 20:55	kmgunn wrote: i have little to offer these days as i have been struggling against the forces of gravity due to a chronic case of socialist dwarfism (not to be confused with social dwarfism {simtimbarepsteinbarsyndrome}). i am however feeling exceptionally willful today; and have discovered a small footstool that will help me reach my keyboard-if not quite see the screen. I have a rod like the one described. Dave Decker told me that there was a brief period where Payne tried out this color when some materials were sparse, but was not satisfied with the uniformity in color. He said the rods were made during the WW II era. He said Payne gave them the distinct (and memorable) marketing moniker- "dark". In today's used market, these rods are often referred to as "the rare mahogany rods" by sellers, whereas potential buyers often label them as "burnt". These days??? I just thought you retired after you secured the lifetime acheivment award with pedantics oak leaf cluster.
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Trout120		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 945 03/13/2009 21:58	I also have one (dark) from around 1950. T120
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Posts: 38 03/13/2009 23:45	If we are talking about Jim Payne rods at one point I believe in the thirties there were light and dark rods. Probably not long after he came up with heat treating the cane. The light rods were more on the color of a Leonard or Thomas Special. They had bright fittings and had maroon/reddish wraps. I have only seen a couple of these rods over the years and they were all longer, 8'6" and 9'0" in 3 pc. I think the screw lock seat was an option along with the Payne dry fly grip. Both of those were options in the sense that the parabolics came standard with the cork seat and cigar grip but I have seen several that had the wood screw up-lock and dry fly grip. I guess you could just mix and match what you like which would be an option. Tim Zietak
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Posts: 1254 03/14/2009 00:51	gofish60 wrote: Not sure about the stripper being an option, because most early Payne's I've seen had a red agate stripper, but the agate tip tops were an option in the earlier catalogs. gofish I have a 202 that does NOT have an agate stripper; I believe the rod is original in every way. It appears to have a very slightly lighter cane than my 205 and 204L but is stamped "sold by Abercrombie & Fitch,' placing it within Jim Payne's active era.
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