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wefishcane |
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While I'm looking forward to fishing in some of my favorite streams this summer, it has been a long time since I've found myself totally alone on a
stream. What I mean is fishing and never seeing as well as expecting to see another soul for two or three days. It's been thirty years since I felt that.
A few years ago I backpacked 16 miles into a remote area here in the Intermountain West to find that experience only to see backpackers and fishermen
everywhere I went. I'm not asking to share your secret spots, afterall by talking about them explicitly they would no longer be what they are to you. But
without "spilling the beans" I wonder if there is still places left in the continental US where that "wilderness experience" is possible?
I hope in my heart there are still some of you that are still able to find it.
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Marty |
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I love the sensation as well and find it seldom. The couple things I have done that help ...late season, off season midging (if you can stand the cold), play
hooky (a few hours at an "offsite" meeting on the odd morning) and just being willing to walk further helps....
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philpsych |
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Oh god yes. While kicking around MT/ID last summer, an old guy from WY gave me good directions to some cosmic fishing in a lightly traveled part of the west.
Fishing and camping there was like going back in time. I was already 2 1/2 weeks into a good long road-trip when I found the place. On about the 22nd day,
after 5 days in paradise, I fished the morning, realized the trip was over, and drove home - it just wasn't going to get better than this. The funny thing
is, that old dude from WY made me swear that I would never tell any Americans where this place was - his words, not mine. Sorry guys. In any case, there are
definitely superb experiences off the beaten path.
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DrLogik |
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A few years back I back packed in to Eagle Creek in the Smokies. Didn't see a person, a track or anything for 5 days. Had 6 miles of stream to myself
with wild brookies the whole time. Out west....good luck.
My opinion (and mine alone - so don't blister me) on why I didn't see anyone is most folks on the East coast just don't want to work that hard to catch fish and get the experience. The ones that do, get solitude for 5 days. Out West you have a larger population of folks that are willing to work hard to catch fish and get the experience...hence you have more people in the remote back-country.
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mmorris236 |
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I cannot speak for the west but I enjoy fishing in solitude most of the trips I do here in MA. I fish smaller streams or off times mostly. I fish the
tailwaters only occasionally, and never expect solitude on those trips, and stay away from the "Hot" spots (the Pipe, or Y pool of the Swift have
never seen my fly). I usually do not start to seriously seek the trout until after the worm chuckers have concluded the streams are all fished out (usually
about 12 hours after the last hatchery truck rolls out), rarely fish the "bridge" pools and always walk the extra mile. I have found that fishing on
the so called "marginal" trout waters is often much more productive than fishing the Gems and is always far less crowded. In general the fisherman I
do meet share my desire for quietude and will quietly disappear if they come upon me, as I do if I come upon them. Solitude is as much a state of mind as it is
a place. I can find solitude 1 mile from my home, less than 20 miles outside Boston. I kayak for Bass and last summer even though I was within shouting
distance of developments and roads the river greenway shielded all and in over two dozen trips from May through October I saw one 12 or 13 year old kid fishing
from the bank. No other Kayaks, fisherman or distractions.
Wilderness is a funny thing, the more we call it wild the more likely it is to be crowded. In West Virginia where I went to college there were two designated wilderness areas within an hours drive, Dolly Sods and Otter Creek. On any gven weekday and on every weekend 52 weeks a year, I could absolutely guarantee that you would be among many people in either of those areas, especially Otter Creek which had only one trail you were pretty much trapped on by the Rhododendrons. The access points looked like mall parking lots and the people were all from the nearby cities dressed to look as though they were born in log cabins a hundred miles from a dirt road (all abercrombie and fitch of course, there is nothing more pathetic than a perfectly tailored, starched collar flannel shirt with the sleeves still crisply creased over designer jeans and $500 mountain climbing boots with nary a scuff on them). They were often loud and always in groups and always in a rush to get as much of the wilderness experience as they could cram into their weekend jaunt. Less than 1/2 milke away in the plain old National forest I could spend weeks and never see a soul. Needless to say I (and most of the locals) avoided the "wilderness" as much as I could. It did always amaze me that those people seeking the wilderness experience in Dolly Sods or Otter Creek had to drive through 50 miles of real wilderness (all public NationalForest to boot) to get there, they watched the real wild places through their car window on their way to the wilderness experience equivalent of fast food. The plain old woods was always much more restful, and the fishing was better.
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Eperous |
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Yes, I think there are a number of places in the Catskills and Adirondacks where this is possible. Many in the Cats are small, very out of the way tracts of
land where one normally doesn't have to hike that long or far to be alone....
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SecondHandWolf |
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The Wind River Range or the Sawtooth Range or the Bitterroots in early fall (after high schools and college's have resumed) . . . perhaps even the SW
corner of Yellowstone NP in late Sept./early Oct. Take a copy of Jack Turner's The Wild Abstract and/or Paul Shepard's Coming Home to
Pleistocence as appropriate reading. As others above have said in their own way, you carry wildness in side of you, and true real wilderness is all around
you. Oddly, I learned to find mine as a high schooler riding the public bus to school and back, turning my transistor radio up high, so everyone could listen
to a Cardinal's baseball game.
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Berry Point |
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I love all alone fishing, particularly in wilderness areas, although the safety issues nag as age nibbles at my heels
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slate river |
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Some of the wilderness areas in western Colorado are pretty remote. My wife and I spent three days 2 summers ago on one of the forks of the Piedra River and
didn't see another soul. Spectacular scenery and great fishing. Same holds true for the Lake Fork and Gunnison drainages. Good luck finding your piece of
Heaven.
Bob
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North country brookie |
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I don't know if it really qualifies as "wilderness". In Central New York state, where I live, we are lucky to have an abundance of State owned,
open to the public land. Mostly former farms that were abandoned during the 1930's, and taken over in lieu of taxes by the state. They range in size from
a couple of hundred acres to 7 or 8 thousand acres, or sometimes more.
There are very few sizable streams on these lands, but almost all of them have at least one small, headwater trickle, many of which have wild, native brook trout in them. One of my favorite things is to drive the dirt roads, winding past still active mon and pop hillside dairy farms, and up the rutted two track road into the State Land. Seeing for the first time the actual living manifestation of the tiny blue ribbon I found on the topographic map the winter before. Sometimes they are shallow, tiny, but pristine and beautiful streams too small to hold trout. But sometimes, you stumble your way down the hemlock shaded hillside, and find yourself standing next to a moss covered, ledgerock cliff, overhanging a translucent green pool, the bottom of which slowly slopes away until it is no longer visible.... These are the streams I've dreamed about all through the long winter nights. These are the streams where quick, darting shadows rush out from under the overhanging tree roots to grab a Parmacheene Belle; where I can hold the cold, firm body of the trout in my hand, and admire it before letting it slip back into the depths. |
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North country brookie wrote: Well said! bobbyg Go Heels!!! |
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Thanks Bob
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Kenov |
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I love to find a bit of solitude (if there is such a thing, in places populated by non-human beings), while I'm fishing. Occassionally, when I'm stuck
in the East, I manage to find it. When I'm back home in the West, I manage to find it quite easily. It's hard, if not impossible, to escape the
effects of "civilization." Even in the most remote place, if you look up, you'll probabaly see a contrail. But it's still relatively easy
to escape the people who did the "civilizing."
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Curley.thebamboorodroom |
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Above: Me and my pup standing beside a Wikiup (native medicine lodge) that is several hundred years old. No local tribe knows who built the Wikiups as they have been standing for so long. And they are not in a designated Wilderness area, but wild and native just the same. Never seen a person nearby, though a few people have been. Below: And there are native Yellowstone Cutthroat just downstream...!
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wefishcane |
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Curley,
Just perfect! Jim |
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crcaddis |
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Its hard to find true wilderness these days...though I do enjoy floating alone for several days at a time on the Current, Jack's Fork, and Buffalo Rivers
in the Ozarks...They are popular streams on the weekends, but you can usually get a couple days to yourself if you float Sunday-Wednesday. Cheers.
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bobbeegee |
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Beautiful country Curley! I also like your fishing buddy!
Bob Go Heels!!! |
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philpsych |
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And that Wikiup is pretty cool, Curley! I've never seen a building that survived from the first nations period in North America. Have you seen any others
like this? Cheers, Mark
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Kenov |
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Don't forget that many of those First Nations are alive and well, philpsych; their "period" isn't over yet.
Given the presence Native peoples have had and continue to have upon our landscape, I've always thought the legal defintion of "wilderness" should be changed. It is now defined as a place where"man himself is a visitor who does not remain." Some of our wilderness areas used to be "home" to our nations' indigenous peoples, not just places to "visit."
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Curley.thebamboorodroom |
There used to be... | #19 | ||
philpsych wrote: There used to be three Wikiups at this location. I first saw them many years ago, while surveying the stream pictured, for the Forest Service. I got photos of them all, and sat inside them all, just to see what it would feel like. Good stuff. Inside the smallest one, I saw a sharpened stick, half buried in the ground, with a charred point. The posted photos are about four years after the last time I was there, and two of the three Wikiups are now random sticks lying on the ground I don't know what happened, but they are no longer
standing. The big one, I am next to, is all that's left. I heard from a local guy, when I was working at a nearby fly shop, that he was hunting on a ranch
about 60 miles south of the Wikiups. He found a cave that had pictographs and petroglyphs along with arrowheads and lots of evidence of occupation from
natives. The supposed occupants are the Sheepeaters, who lived primarily on Bighorn Sheep, and who apparently were not great friends with the Crow, Cheyenne,
Shoshone and Sioux tribes, all of whom lived in the area at one time or another. There are still tipi rings in the area, on several buttes in the foothills,
but most are on private land. And you can find LOTS of arrow/scraper chippings, flakes and whole points intact, if you look around a bit. There is a spirit all
around the place. I love it.
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Aransas |
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Yes, there are still places like that. Solitude sometimes requires a bit more effort. There are parts of Colorado where one can fish all day alone or with a
friend. Some mean a long, strenuous hike, while others are surprisingly easy to access. These experiences are becoming rarer in the age of instant information.
Last year, I was shocked to find an online, ESPN article that included one such place that's a favorite of mine.
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