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Eric Peper	Original Darbee Necks Available		Lead	[-]
Posts: 194 03/16/2009 20:06	Tags : None There is a listing on the forbidden auction site of two original "as new" Harry Darbee necks from the material collection of Ernie Maltz. A good friend acquired Ernie's materials and is now trimming his tying "stash." A well structured search should turn these up. I risk mentioning this here because this IMO is a once in a lifetime opporutinity for a "classic" collector. If this be cause for banning, I accept it. BTW, I suggested that y friend offer these necks here, but he'd already placed the listing on the auction site. EP Last Edited By: Eric Peper 03/16/2009 20:23. Edited 1 time.
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bob2935	Darbee Necks	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 797 03/16/2009 21:25	Hi Eric I have a Darbee Grizzly and a Badger that I received when I started to tie for them in high school. What memories. I caught the tail end of the Darbee, Leonard , Catskill era. Nothing compares to that fishing scene. Elsie gave my first tying lession at 13. Doesnt get any better that. The fishing scene is still fun down there with Mary Dette and Frank Kuttner Bob Herson Last Edited By: bob2935 03/16/2009 21:30. Edited 1 time.
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philpsych		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 223 03/16/2009 21:37 Moderator	Does anyone know what the quality of the Darbee hackle might be? These older necks should have slightly more web, and slightly thicker quills, no? Mark
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bob2935	Darbee Necks	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 798 03/16/2009 23:43	Mark The Darbee necks that I own were excellent for the time. They had soft stems, nice barb count but had a shorter length than today's super necks by Hebert and Whiting. The Darbee dun's had the perfect dun shade. If you compared the Darbee necks to today's necks I would say that the Darbee Necks tied as well but that they were shorter. With most of the Whiting and Heberts I can tie sometimes two flies per hackle. The Heberts are what I like to use for Catskill dries are good but their dun necks never seem as lively or vivid in terms of the shade. The Hebert natural dun's seem to be washed out lacking the flecking that Harry's dun's had. Harry was one of the pioneer's in raising roosters for fly tying. Another colorful charactor in the Catskills is Frank Kuttner. Frank has a great little shop heading up towards Lew Beach. He was great friends with Harry in his later years. Frank had many of Harry's birds for years and when I received a Kuttner neck it was just perfect in terms of soft stem, great shades and they always tied perfectly. I wish I had more of Franks necks. If you ever want to see the most perfect version of the Catskill style dry fly try to have Frank tie you one. They remind me of the Darbee's flies but even slightly neater and sparser. They are absolute perfection. The problem is getting one from him. I have five of his flies. All are perfect replica's of what a Catskill dry should look like. Frank and of coarse Mary Dette are tops for tying that great Catskill style. We all know about Mary being a total class act. Over the years I have learned so much from Mary and Frank. Frank also sells some great cane rods. Bohemianbob
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Eric Peper		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 196 03/17/2009 10:53	Interesting stuff. Keep in mind that the Hebert-Miner necks we're getting today are genetically related to the Darbee chickens., as Herb Miner got his original eggs from Harry. The seller gives the size on the available Darbee necks as about 5" x 9" and says they'll tie down to size 24. I would not expect the feathers to be as long as, say, a Whiting, but I would expect the same kinds of steely fibers, and I would also expect there would be some nice spade hackles on these necks. EP
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Eric Peper		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 197 03/17/2009 10:58	Thanks for the feedback, Bob. I spent a fair amount of time with Walt and Winnie way back when, and I got a wonderful education on the Catskill history from Al McClane, Dick Salmon, Walt Taradash and others. I treasure the years I had there and each season wish I could be two places at once (Catskills and Henry's Fork). The latter always wins, but not wihtout an emotional battle. EP
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philpsych		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 224 03/17/2009 13:36 Moderator	Thanks for the information, Bob. Growing up in, and having my fishing home waters as south west Alberta, Canada, I'm about as far removed from the Catskill tradition as you can get without being in the North West Territories. But there was one book at my town public library I read as a kid, a fly tying manual by Rueben Cross. The book was a tattered hardcover 1st edition, and gave me a sense of the generations of rich fishing history in NY and area. Mark
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maruoff	addresses?	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 895 03/17/2009 17:05	Hi Bob and others, can anyone let me know about the addresses and phone numbers of the Dettes and Frank Kuttners shop please? Friends of mine are visiting the US shortly and they would like to pay these exceptional flytyers a visit in their shops if possible. Thank you for your help, very interesting thread by the way!! Marcus
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catskilljohn		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 184 03/17/2009 17:46	Frank Kuttners address is, 83 Beaverkill Rd Livingston Manor NY, 12758 845-439-5590 Dettes Trout Flies does not list an address on their business card, so I hesitate to put it here, but the # is 607-498-4991 You are going to love both places, I stop there almost every trip up all summer. CJ Last Edited By: catskilljohn 03/17/2009 17:50. Edited 1 time.
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Eric Peper	Just for the record . . .	#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 198 03/17/2009 21:37	. . . I have to add that I have no financial interest in this situation whatsoever. The seller has been my closest hunting and fishing friend for well over 30 years, and I am simply trying to assist him in his housecleaning. EP
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DrLogik		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1627 03/17/2009 22:12	philpsych, I hear you brother..... I to got my start from Rueben Cross's book in Cleveland, Ohio back in the early 1970's. It was "Tying American Trout Lures". I must have checked that book out of the library 20 times as a kid. I vowed to go to the Catskills and learn as much as I can. Been there 4 times now. Working on #5 this year. I even acquired a Cross fly a few years ago. I now own each of his books in fine 1st editions. The Catskills for some, including me, are a real passion. I live and breath that tradition. I have met a few friends up in Roscoe and the surrounding area. All of them are as genuine and kind as can be. Can't wait to go back this summer. Kuttner's and the Dette shop are like steps back in time. I stop in to see Mary every chance I get....Frank to. Grant DrLogik.com Last Edited By: DrLogik 03/17/2009 22:14. Edited 1 time.
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PkwyAngler		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 210 03/18/2009 00:54	FYI, I believe Mary Dette's grandson, Joe Fox, created a website for the family's business with full contact information for their shop in the hamlet of Roscoe, New York. http://www.dettetroutflies.com/ (Edited for up-dated link) Last Edited By: PkwyAngler 03/25/2009 10:32. Edited 1 time.
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JeffK.fiberglassflyro...		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9 03/25/2009 14:24	I think Collins Hackle birds have Darbee blood in them - especially the duns. Charlie tells stories of taking his old pickup full of birds from Harry Darbee back to Pine City when he was getting started. I've been happy with Collins hackle and the feathers have more variation in color like old time feathers
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Eric Peper		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 201 03/25/2009 14:33	Haven't tried any of Collins rooster necks, but the hen necks and saddles sure are nice. EP
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creakycane		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2134 03/25/2009 17:08	I agree that the Collins are the best necks I know of to get those deep colors and unique variations that so compliment a Catskill Fly - great duns, gingers, creams and barred variants. His dyed necks are very nice also.... You can browse these pages to see the rich and varied colors and mottling, speckling etc http://greatfeathers.com/collinshacklefarm.aspx Last Edited By: creakycane 03/25/2009 18:32. Edited 1 time.
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bob2935	Collin's Necks	#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 803 03/25/2009 23:16	Creaky What shades of the Collin's necks do you like. I have never seen them but hear they are great. I hear that some of his necks have a light barring and is that in any way a problem? Does the barring may made the flies look strange or does the barring blend well when wrapped? Can you make a good looking light Cahill with a finely barred ginger in that the barring doesn't stand out when wrapped? Hope that makes sense. thanks bob at bohemianflyfish@aol.com
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afgantrout		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 490 03/26/2009 02:35	Fellows, I have in my collection a medium blue dun half neck that Pete Hidy gave me many years ago with Eric Leiser's signature on the back. for a number of sentimental reasons I have tied no flies from the cape. I miss those old days, prior to the advent of the Super hackles.... in my day, Sonny Boys....we got what we could get...we paid what we could... and we liked it! I've got flies tied in the 50s and 60s with hackle so fine ...well, Sonny.... it would piss you off. But we had to work at it...knowhuttamean? We had to cultivate sources for true Andalusian dun. Now, all you gotta do is send in your VISA no. to whoever has it...Hoffman, Colorado Whatever.... Ya know whut ah mean, Mon!!! Don't get me wrong, I love Henry Hoffman. He made it possible for mortals to acquire fabulous hackle w/out mortgaging one's mother.... Anyway, I forget the thread of the original theme, but I hope I've enlightened someone....!...? # # # # # # # # # # # # # # Petri heil! Kindly take a look at my angling art (and classic ephemera) www.michaelsimonanglingart.com
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catskilljohn		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 188 03/26/2009 07:32	bob, His capes come in both naturally, but he is kind of famous for his barred stuff, which is beautiful. I have a few duns with "ghost bars" you can barely see, and I love them. Mike, its funny how everyone used to look for better hackle, and now that you can get anything you want as far as huge barb count and super stiff fibers, some of us are looking for "old" hackle to tye "old flies" with. CJ
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narcodog		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 210 03/26/2009 09:43	John, you are correct in looking for the "old" stuff. When I go into a shop these days I don't even look at the premium Whiting. I do look at the Hebert hen and cock necks. I also have necks from Charlie and Chickenpro. I had some necks that I bought back in the '70's that I gave away, to a good cause, but wish I had them back. It's the same with books. I am buying more books from the '70's and earlier, some of which I gave away.
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creakycane		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2136 03/26/2009 11:45	If you have not looked, you'd be surprised how good some (by now means all, even most) Indian and Chinese necks are for larger dry flies and variants.
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catskilljohn		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 189 03/26/2009 21:26	Dont give away all the secrets creaky! Glad to hear you have some of Chickenpro's feathers narcodog, he is going to be someone to watch in the coming years. CJ
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