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 cheffy |
H-I Tonka Prince taper needed |
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Posts: 139 03/27/2009 10:08 |
I need to build a new tip to scarf into my Tonka prince. If anyone has the taper I'd appreciate it. I only need to make a 4" section but the taper
for at least the 10" down from the tip would help. Or the taper for the entire rod if it's easier.
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 fdlyons |
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Posts: 34 03/27/2009 23:50 |
I have a 7' 2pc H-I Tonka Prince that I am restoring. I can get the tapers to you next week. The guides on the butt section are missing and I need to know
if there is a stripper guide or if it is a snake guide. There are 5 snakes on the tip section. One or two snakes on the butt. Maybe we can help each other.
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cheffy |
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Posts: 140 03/29/2009 10:58 |
Sounds like a plan! I'm at work right now but I'll check the butt section and let you know. Do you need the spacing also?
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fdlyons |
H-I Toka prince | #3 | ||
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Posts: 35 03/29/2009 14:09 |
No, I do not need the spacing. I will get the tapers to you ASAP.
Thanks! Dwight |
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cheffy |
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Posts: 141 03/30/2009 10:55 |
Dwight,
On the butt section, there is a snake near the ferrule and a Mildrum style stripper lower near the grip. The stripper is about 9.5 mm O.D. and the I.D. is about 6.25mm. Hope this helps. |
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FlymanDan |
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Posts: 253 03/30/2009 11:43 |
My Prince does not have a stripping guide, but a snake guide instead. The tip has five snake guides and the butt has two guides total.
Dan |
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fdlyons |
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Posts: 36 03/30/2009 17:04 |
Now I have a dilemma. Your rod has a ceramic stripper and Dan's rod has a snake. Must be different eras. This rod has a leaping fish logo on top of a
white diamond with H-I in red and UTICA , N. Y. in small black letters under the H-I. Michael Sinclair does not show or mention this logo in his restoration
book. 50 lashes with an old 9' Horrocks Ibottson metal rod. I will go with the ceramic guide. A little classier and this rod could use a little more
class. The tapers for the tip section from the ferrule are as follows and we hope that they will follow. The tip is 42 11/16" long from end of ferrule
to top of tip top.
0 = .184 From tip top 0 = .076 5 = .174 5 = .094 10 = .164 10 = .109 15 = .154 15 = .122 20 = .140 25 = .128 30 = .116 35 = .102 40 = .085 42 = .078(Just below tip top) These were taken over bare cane and I averaged the three flats. Let me know if you want the butt tapers. Dwight |
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fdlyons |
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Posts: 37 03/30/2009 17:07 |
That did not go well. I hope you can decipher. I think I should have my secretary do these things.
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cheffy |
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Posts: 142 03/30/2009 18:08 |
this is kind of what my guide looks like.
anglersworkshop.com/items.aspx?catid=1852 Now I'm confused. two sets of numbers? I'll check my logo and try to get the Era of my Prince. |
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fdlyons |
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Posts: 38 03/30/2009 18:56 |
The numbers on the left are from the ferrule and the four numbers on the right are from the top of the tip top down to 15". I did not go farther because
you only needed the top 10 ". I will make another attempt. The numbers on the right are not supposed to be crowding the numbers on the left. I will do
a better job tonight. I am too busy right now.
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fdlyons |
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Posts: 39 03/30/2009 23:48 |
Let's try this again.
Butt section from bottom. 0 = .334 5 = .334 10 = .334 15 = .318 20 = .298 25 = .262 30 = .240 35 = .216 40 = .196 Tip section from ferrule 0 = .184 5 = .174 10 = .164 15 = .154 20 = .140 25 = .128 30 = .116 35 = .102 40 = .085 45 = .076 |
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cheffy |
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Posts: 143 03/31/2009 08:25 |
Mine may be the odd ball. It has the 1920's era decal. wrapped in red and lack jasper with green tipping that is spaced about 1" away from each
wrap. Nothing like in in Mike's book.
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FlymanDan |
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Posts: 254 03/31/2009 09:22 |
Whatever the era is from my experience with the rod I would include a stripping guide as apposed to using a snake for the same purpose.
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bamboofan |
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Posts: 53 03/31/2009 15:49 |
The Tonka Prince originally did not have a stripping guide, just one large snake near the ferrule on the butt section. I've refinished 3 of them and seen several other originals. I've added a Mildrum stripping guide to all of them I've worked with, and re-spaced all the guides using 7 snakes, the stripper, and tiptop. The rods cast like a dream when finished. |
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fdlyons |
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Posts: 41 03/31/2009 16:19 |
These rods did not enter the scene until the 40s or 50s and there appears to be more logos, guide spacings and wrap colors than first relized when Michael
Sinclair published his book. The wraps on my rod are a dark steel blue. Tough match but I had one spool of Belding Corticelli that is real close. It is a
very responsive little rod despite looking like it was roughed out with a chain saw. Regarding the all snakes thing, I guess they figured if Leonard could get
away with it on the Catskill why not give it a shot. Are we good on the tapers?
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cheffy |
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Posts: 144 04/01/2009 11:09 |
The tapers work. Somedays I just have trouble reading. That's what happens when you get a Detroit education.
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