Classified listing etiquette re-visited

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Flyman615	Classified listing etiquette re-visited		Lead	[-]
Posts: 3164 03/29/2009 20:15	Tags : None The Forum is a GREAT place to buy and sell fly tackle...no doubt about it. That said, from the seller's viewpoint, here are a few suggestions to potential buyers: 1) If you ask for "more photos", at least have the courtesy to reply to and/or thank the seller for his time and effort. Especially when it still doesn't convince you to buy the item. 2) If you propose a lower offer and the seller accepts it via PM/e-mail, then you bought the item! Don't then get "cold feet" and ignore the seller's positive response. 3) Before you ask questions of the seller, at least take the time to read the listing completely and digest the information contained therein. If the information you seek is missing, then ask. 4) When the seller asks for your name and address, please send it immediately so that the item can be readied for shipment in advance of your payment arriving. 5) Shipping, handling and insurance are legitimate costs of doing business. But don't assume they are really the sole responsibility of the seller. 6) When your item arrives in good order and is acceptable, then please have the courtesy to drop the seller an e-mail to that effect. Thanks for listening! Regards, Flyman Last Edited By: Flyman615 03/29/2009 20:19. Edited 1 time.
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rsagebrush	Etiquette	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 559 03/29/2009 20:28	I second that. Also, don't complain about the price. If you can't afford it why bother the seller.
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bobbeegee		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2530 03/29/2009 20:30	I most certainly agree with all of your suggestions Scott. In my particular case, especially no. 6!!!! Bob Go Heels!!!
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oneculm		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 511 03/29/2009 20:50	All good points Scott. Might I add that as a seller the limit of three edits be kept in mind.
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Flyman615		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3165 03/29/2009 21:22	Point taken, Dave. But it's tough to do if you have several items in one listing and are a bad speller, like me, to boot! Regards, Scott Last Edited By: Flyman615 03/29/2009 21:27. Edited 1 time.
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gofish60		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1977 03/30/2009 13:42 Registered User	Wholeheartedly agree. All good points, and they boil down to plain old common sense and courtesy. I always did wonder about the select few who always want photos, never have the courtesy to acknowlege receiving them, and are never heard from again. Do you suppose they collect them?? gofish
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Ken M 44		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2899 03/30/2009 15:37 Immoderatus Britannicus	All well said and good points - slightly beyond etiquette here is something everyone should read that has an interest in the Classifieds ; Classifieds And Scott - you could always use the spellcheck
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tiptop	etiquette and shipping costs	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 523 03/31/2009 06:28	One of the Classifieds policies that bothers me and is at least related to etiquette is that the buyer is expected to pay shipping both ways if a return is made. This is understandable if the buyer decides to return the item for reasons of personal taste. However, if the item is substantially not as advertised it seems to me that the seller should bear the shipping costs at least one way. I know if I made a mistake in listing an item, for me, etiquette or my conscience would have me refund shipping both ways. I'm sure the rub lies in the definition of "substantial" and the moderators don't want to be involved in disputes. But it's still disturbing to receive a rod advertised as having tight ferrules and find that they're loose and having to foot the bill for $30 to $40 of round trip shipping and insurance.
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BobS		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1054 04/01/2009 09:53	Just for the record: I agree with tiptop.
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oneculm		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 512 04/01/2009 10:41	I think if you read the entire sentence it ends with "unless prior arrangements are made" I have always made it understood I will ship it to you, and if you do not like it, you ship it back to me. No hard feelings either way dave
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tiptop		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 526 04/01/2009 17:42	I have read the last sentence and I've been tempted to clarify conditions with sellers regarding who is responsible in the event the item is substantially not as advertised. But it's a bit of a slap in the face to say "I expect to be refunded shipping if your rod has obvious serious defects you haven't disclosed". I want to believe people are honest and will take responsibility for their serious errors or omissions. Personally, I will just eat it if I have to without making a fuss about it. But it would be helpful to have some guidelines or at least a strong encouragement to closely inspect your items before listing. Just because a rod had tight ferrules 5 years ago doesn't mean they are tight today and I think it's common not to check.
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tedgolden		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2804 04/01/2009 21:55 Moderator	I guess I need to re-emphasize, any transaction between two board members does not involve the board or imply any guarantee . It is a transaction between two people who found a bit of commonality in cyberspace. We do not compete, nor do we wish to compete with eBay. One's choice to participate in our classified section has no enforceable assurances. To view it otherwise is to be self deluding. While I am sure the overwhelming majority of us are "gentlemen," I know that there are few who are not. And I must remind myself that if I send a money order for $3000 to someone who I don't know who has joined our form last week, my payment may be at risk. Our suggestion that rods be returned at buyers cost is worth the paper is on which it is writ, at the end of the day. Common sense and communications must be your guide. But you will find that 99% of the transactions will be OK. Would you care to name names? Sorry, we don't do that here. Last Edited By: tedgolden 04/01/2009 21:57. Edited 1 time.
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bdcanefly	classified section= joke	#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 866 04/03/2009 19:06	The classified section is a joke now, I was hoping the new guy have the gonads to change it back. Of all the boards I buy on (hot rods,boating,other fishing,gun stuff) allow comunication in the threads.( I will take it, ect......) Many of the forum members have been called out on those forums and promply fixed their unethical dealings. Here, we hide those that do us wrong. What a bunch of wuss's........ Yes, I have been here long enough and bought enough from members to see what goes on. I will not buy any thing on this board anymore because of this.(I am not the only one feels this way) BDC
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tedgolden		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2807 04/03/2009 20:18 Moderator	Regrettably the irresponsible actions of a few zealots required the board change it's policy regarding classified listings and responses. Given some of the alternatives (e.g. no classified listings), this one seems fairly benign. This is a vastly different world than it was when we had 300 members . Things change, time passes. But ole man river, he jus' keep rollin' along.
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mtn	re	#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 455 04/03/2009 23:54	Yes things definately change with time, back before Yuku, Ezboard and heck even before that, when you didn't have to be a member to post things were quite different. I recall a transaction or 2 when members sent me items and said to wait and pay till I recieved them to make sure it was what I want. I've had very few problems with transactions here on the forum and any issues were easily resolved but I don't take things for granted and ask what I don't see written. When something doesn't work out I feel that I made the purchase under the set guidelines and if all I lose in the deal is a few bucks on shipping I can live with that. I've had some poor experiences on some of the auction sites to say the least. Mike
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pcg		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2524 04/04/2009 09:56 Admin	Mike, what you describe "then" still happens today. You mention, "members sent me items and said to wait and pay till I recieved them." I've been fortunate to have the same experiences, several times in the last couple months. I'm always amazed & gratified. The core users here remain honorable. No complaints.
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flyslinger		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 111 04/05/2009 10:04	Once I had a problem deciding between two nearly identical reels that a seller had. He said he'd send both to me so I could pick the better one and ship the other back to him. Another time a seller shipped an item when I was out of town and he said to send him the check after I got back home. You can't beat that, in my opinion. True, it helps when we are talking about core members who frequent the forum. I don't know about doing something like this with a complete stranger, but realistically, it doesn't get much better than this.
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ttrotter		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1006 04/05/2009 18:57 Moderator	LEO said, "it is my contention that if an item has been misrepresented by the party selling the item, intentionally or inadvertently, the buyer should be (and is correctly) entitled to complete compensation." He is right. Didn't we learn this kind of thing from our parents?
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gofish60		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1982 04/05/2009 21:48 Registered User	As has been stated, my dealings, and there's been quite a few of them, both buying and selling, have been outstanding. I'd hate to see a return to the mudslinging, backbiting, etc., done by a select few, often not even knowing what they were talking about, that we had before. gofish
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