I'm giving some consideration to building this rod and would be appreciative to gain some input before I move forward. Thanks in advance.
Phil
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phlogger |
EF Payne 204L 8' |
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Does anyone out there have any experience with the above rod? I find this taper to be an interesting one based on the numbers in Gould's book, " Tricks and Taper's". The dimensions provided by him at first glance appear to indicate that this would be a relatively light rod for an 8 footer, (so I'm guessing the "L" nomenclature). But what is the 204 meaning, so close to a Garrison adaptation?
I'm giving some consideration to building this rod and would be appreciative to gain some input before I move forward. Thanks in advance. Phil |
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Wally Murray |
Re: EF Payne 204L 8' | #1 | ||
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The 204 is listed in the 1975 and 1951 Payne catalogs as eight and a half feet, 4 1/8 to 4 1/4 ounce (5 wt.).
The only letter designation used in the catalogs is an "H" to designate a heavier rod weight. "L" sounds like it means light, perhaps by shortening the taper? Wally. |
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bluejayee |
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Hi, I own one and have built one. I bought one from Hoagy in, I think, 1980 at a Southfield, Michigan show for way too little money. I considered and consider it a gift of sorts. Anyway, it's an 86\16\10. I fish a 4wt. I think it's the longest 4wt. taper. A great rod. I built one for a customer who missed the point of the rod and my brother,bless his heart, saved in it a trade. You can't go wrong with the taper IF it's what you want. There are a few other 86\16\10 tapers around but this is a good one. It's a specialty rod. I have the taper if you need it. Jay Edwards
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phlogger |
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Thanks to both of you for the feedback.
First of all I made the mistake of entering this as an 8' when I really meant an 8.5' - so I appreciate the correction. Jay, I thought these dimensions would make the rod 4 wt. capable judging from Gould's taper. I'm curious to know your thoughts on the actual rod characteristics, etc. I can't tell if it would be classified as a fast action semi-para or a moderate dry fly action. I'd be thrilled to have your taper to use and compare to Gould's, if you're inclined. Thanks again. |
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bluejayee |
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Hi Phlogger, These #'s were taken from the rod under varnish as the rod needed a restoration. Tip/ 0-.064, 5-.076 10-.092, 15-.102, 20-.122, 25-.140, 30-.152, 33-.155 ....Mid/ 35-.165, 40-.178, 45-.191, 50--.208, 55-.224, 60-.236, 65-.245, 66-.247 ....Butt/ 70-.266, 75-.277, 80-.293, 85-.307, 90-.322, 91-.333, 92-.352, 921/2-.367... Guide Spacing from Tip.. 4 3/8, 9 3/8, 15 9/16, 22 1/4, 29 3/4, .... Mid..2 18, 8 3/4, 17 1/4, 26 7/16, .... BUTT.. 3 1/8, 11 7/8. I have other information from the rod as well, because it was a special rod to me and because I was younger and full of it. You can see it's a fairly steep taper but not so 'tippy' that it annoys you. It's very smooth with a 4wt. I use it for big fish on bigger water with small flies, tricos, etc. Ya just can't beat it. Jay Edwards
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phlogger |
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Thanks Jay for the above taper. Sorry it took so long for me to reply as I've been out of town for a few days. I'll make good use of this info absolutely and once again --thank you for taking the time, I wholeheartedly appreciate it.
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bluejayee |
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Hi Phlogger, I hope you can make use of the info. It is an interesting rod. Marty Keane's book page 61, a Payne catalog page lists the 204L at 4 3/8 oz. Mine says 4 1/2 oz. on the tag but I can no longer make out the 'L'. I can sorta 'see' where it maybe might be, have been, I don't remember if I ever saw it but it's a 16/10 ferruled rod. " If You Build It They [fish] Will Come." Jay Edwards
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phlogger |
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Roger that, my friend! Many thanks to you again. I'm working on another project at present but intend to "dial-in" your taper on the forthcoming rod I make in 30-45 days or so and I'm pretty keyed-up to get it started. I'll look you up on the forum and keep you apprised when I do so. I'm really amazed that this taper doesn't evoke alot of discussion, simply based on the dimensions alone.
Phil |
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bluejayee |
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Hi Phlogger, It is bad ass. Jay Edwards
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john channer |
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Phil;
It's a Payne, you can never go wrong with a Payne taper. It happens that I've had an original in my shop to make a second tip for and it was a great rod(big surprise there,lol). I liked it best with a 4 wt, it's owner fished it with a 6, like most rods, line weight is subjective. john |
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nwdlj |
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I know that this was a long ago thread but just thought I would post if someone else stumbles across it as I just have. The reason I stumbled across it is that
last weekend, I was able to cast an original 204L...and I want it bad. Its just too bad I can't afford the price and instead will have to make one most
likely. So I went looking in the forum and low and behold, find this thread...and am very thankful for it as I have copied it for future reference. Trust me in
that what is written is very correct, to me, it was a perfect example of why Payne's are held in such regard. and it wasn't just the finish or the
looks, perfect as they were...it was mostly because of the way it cast... With a 4wt Sylk, it was beautiful, effortless, formed perfect loops from 5 feet to 55
feet...open or tight...whatever I wanted it to do, right from the start...so again, thanks for posting the taper and the thoughts about it...dj
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Blue Quill |
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Years ago I tried making this taper with truncated ferrules (the shorter Super-Z ferrules now a defacto standard on modern 3pc rods) and it felt like an
1800's wet-fly rod; way too soft. Putting the rod on the wall and marking it's bending profile I could see immediately that the problem was the
ferrules.
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nwdlj |
Correction...5 wt Sylk | #12 | ||
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I need to correct my previous post in that I said I cast the 204L with a 4wt Sylk...nope, it was a 5wt Sylk...my mistake
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Nils Ingvar |
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This is very interesting because I have made a few Leonard mod 50 and I made the same mistake and used truncated ferrules. When talking to Ted Simroe he told
me that the full Step Down ferrule is a part of the rodtaper. I recognised the same as Chuck so I allways check up whot kind of ferrule the original rod used.
Nils Ingvar |
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