With a ferule plug in the butt section of your rod do you still store the ferrule/plug down with reel seat up or do you store your rod with the reel seat
section down and ferrule/plug up in the sock/tube?
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Posts: 1140 04/02/2009 08:11 Deeply Shallow |
Ferrule plug up
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Hipgnosis |
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Posts: 508 04/02/2009 09:00 |
Ferrule plug up.
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Posts: 325 04/02/2009 09:04 |
What Andre said
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Posts: 1979 04/02/2009 11:01 Registered User |
Down, plug or no. Can't see a difference, one way or the other.
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Eric Peper |
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Posts: 207 04/02/2009 11:26 |
I guess I can't let this pass without repeating the admonition I got from John Channer many years ago (and which I mentioned in a prior similar thread
here). I was tucking a rod away, grip-up, ferrule down, as I always had when John said, "You'd never stow it that way if you'd damaged a ferrule
as I have." He said from his first bad experience on he'd always placed the rod in the tube with the tips up and the butt section ferrule up, and had
never had a problem. Since his initial admonition, neither have I, and that's the way they are stowed, ferrule plugs or no.
As always . . . your mileage may vary. EP |
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tim simbari |
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Posts: 338 04/02/2009 19:49 |
Virtually every rod I ever bought with plugs had them up..........except Payne.
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slw |
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Posts: 172 04/02/2009 19:57 |
Assuming the rod maker or owner has the foresite to pad the bottom of the tube and the inside of the cap, what difference does it make?
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stephen kiley |
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Posts: 335 04/02/2009 20:12 |
and if the plug comes off in the bottom of the bag its a pain.and john is right about ferrule damage.thanks steve
please check out my profile for information and availability on my mosaic and north star rods.
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slw |
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Posts: 173 04/02/2009 20:46 |
While we're on the subject...What's the point of ferrule plugs anyway? If it's to protect from physical damage, why isn't there also a
protective sleeve for the males? If it's to prevent dirt from entering the female, how much dirt gets in a ferrule while it's stashed in the
tube?...and how many fishermen walk/hike to the stream with a ferrule plug in place?...and why isn't there a sleeve to prevent dirt from getting on the
male?
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fishbum |
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Posts: 269 04/02/2009 22:31 |
slw wrote: Ferrule plugs are part of the storage system on salmon/steelhead rods I make. These rods are equiped with a mushroom butt cap that is a good bit larger in diameter than the rest of the grip. The ferrule plug extends the butt section by 1.25" so the tip sections won't be deformed by the butt cap in the rod tube. The tip sections nestle under the large butt cap in the tube. http://clarksclassicflyrodforum.yuku.com/topic/22983 fishbum
Last Edited By: fishbum 04/02/2009 22:36.
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creakycane |
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Posts: 2153 04/02/2009 23:01 |
Some Hardy's - I can recall seeing numerous Marvels - come with male sleeves as well as ferrule plugs.
I use them if they came with the rod but don't sweat it if the rod does not come with them I generally store them with the plug up, the unlt exception being a few 3pc rod that need to be stored butt up to avoid too tight a fit with butt down. I store the rod however the maker sent it. Under normal use, in/out of house, car, hotel, I don't think it matters much. |
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Blue Quill |
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Posts: 69 04/02/2009 23:22 |
Hi Gents,
I always tell my customers to store the rods grip-end up, and I believe this is very important to rod safety, particularly for two-piece rods. - Most modern rod tubes for two-piece rods are generally 1.625 OD and 2.595 ID. (OD minus 2X wall thickness). Most classic rod tubes are usually smaller ID still. - Most cigar grips are about .925 diameter or larger, and Wells's, Western's, etc. are even larger over the flare of the grip. - Most 4wt and 5wt tapers average around .190 across-the-flats within 5" of the ferrulle. - Most snake guides located near the ferrule of rods with .200 ferrule-station dimensions are about .187 proud of the blank. .925 (grip) + .190 (tip 1) + .190 (tip 2) + .187 (snake on tip 1) + .187 (snake on tip 2) = 1.679 worst-case stack-up thickness. As per above, the tube ID is only 1.595, which means there is the possibility of .084 interference (a little over 3/64 of an inch). Each time there isn't any problem putting the butt section in grip-down you're just lucky, and I have gotten enough tips in for smashed ferrule-snake replacement to see that this happens far more than people realise. The dead give-away is the smashed snake guide first-up from the ferrule with the tip-facing guide foot pushed out and back from under the tip-facing wrap. Often the snake is crushed until it cracked in two at the mid-point. Once I see this I stand the tips on the bench next to the butt, and sure enough there will be matching indentations where the snake was smashed against the grip. Sometimes the cork is chipped from scraping against the snake guide as well. Also, people who do this usually swear they have no idea how it happened. Most modern 3pc rod tubes have plenty of room, and you can usually put the butt in any way you want, but I like to keep the female ferrules facing up for protection regardless. Regarding ferrule plugs, people expect them so I provide them. I don't use them on the rods I make for my personal use, but they do help protect the female ferrule edges from getting peened. Chuck |
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Boo.fiberglassflyro... |
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Posts: 124 04/03/2009 11:34 |
My concern with the ferrule plug down is it seems there's a greater chance the cork of the plug is more likely to break off inside the female ferrule
should the tube get "roughed' up a bit. The socks/tubes my rods come in have no problem storing the rod grip up or down.
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tim simbari |
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Posts: 339 04/03/2009 19:01 |
slw wrote:The only valid reason I ever heard other than the nice touch cosmetics is that it does reduce the frequency that one should clean the inside. When they need a cleaning, the tips usually require more than the other that is plugged. Seems to make sence.
Last Edited By: tim simbari 04/04/2009 17:53.
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David Dornblaser |
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Posts: 295 04/03/2009 19:59 |
I wonder if I can squeeze in a quick, related question: does anyone sell ferrule plugs without a rod purchase?
Thanks, David www.UpperMidwestFlyFishing.com - fly fishing in the Upper Midwest. Spring Creeks to Smallies to Steelhead. |
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john channer |
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Posts: 727 04/03/2009 23:25 |
David;
Goldenwitch used to sell them, I don't know if they still do . Ferrule plugs may look nice, but they won't protect from damage and they won't replace proper care. My rods go in the tube skinny end up whether I'm keeping it or selling it. john |
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David Dornblaser |
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Posts: 296 04/04/2009 08:00 |
Hi John,
I know that the plugs won't replace proper care, but I think that they look cool! - David www.UpperMidwestFlyFishing.com - fly fishing in the Upper Midwest. Spring Creeks to Smallies to Steelhead. |
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stephen kiley |
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Posts: 336 04/04/2009 17:46 |
i would be happy to make some ferrule plugs for any body that wants them,you can see a few in my profile,contact me for pricing and sizing to your rod at the
email in the profile.thanks steve
please check out my profile for information and availability on my mosaic and north star rods.
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john channer |
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Posts: 730 04/07/2009 22:40 |
David;
Okay, I'll give you that one, they do look cool, specially Steve's. john |
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Empty Creel |
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Posts: 92 04/10/2009 12:29 |
Ferrule plugs are intended to keep out dirt.
SLW you might try a condem on the male ferrule if your affraid of getting it dirtier than you can wipe off on your sleeve. For long term storage the butt should go in the tube first to elimate the reel seat weight on the rod. |
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