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tiptop |
Which is the best mayfly tying style -- Catskill, parachute, comparadun, or? |
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I've never been very disciplined about my mayfly imitations and find that my boxes get cluttered with various styles of the same mayflies. Overall, I
think I've had the most success with parachute patterns but there have been times when another style seems to work better. Is there any consensus about
which style is best the majority of the time? Do you carry only one style? Do you have all styles in each of the patterns you bring along? I placed this
question here in "fishing" rather than "classic flies" because it's more related to catching fish than tying flies.
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oneculm |
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It is not the tying style. It is the presentation style. My box has 80% parachutes a few comparaduns, spiders.and Griffiths gnats.
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tim simbari |
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CDC my friend, CDC.....come to the dark side.
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nativebrownie |
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Depends - after presentation...
mostly bottom clipped catskill; parachutes, and comparadun here... depends... OH, and some large spiders...And I almost forgot those largish C. Lively March Brown tie... Oh and... NB Depends... |
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tiptop |
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tim simbari wrote: Ah yes, CDC -- I forgot that one. I use CDC (with frog's fanny after the first few casts) in the slowest water situations where the trout has the most time to check it out. I'll often choose Catskill in the fast water for its buoyancy and visibility. Para and compara in medium water. Comparadun style can work well but it's hard to see and it's hard to keep floating. |
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nesterbc |
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I like the BORGER dry fly style (Gary Borger)their easy to tye. and i like the wat rhey sit on yhe water.
And it seems every time i float a soft hackle through a trout lie i get some type of action. I carry all the different types, and the two mentioned for me are the go to flies. |
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Soft Hackle |
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For a few seasons now I have fished comparaduns the most but also some traditional Catskill ties on small water and parachutes at dusk. I fish faster water so
my comparaduns are actually hackled in the manner of a traditional tie, usually a combination of grizzly and barred ginger, they are very effective pocket
water flies and easy to see.
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Eric Peper |
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By far the majority of my dries are either emergers or cripples, and they are tied in a variety of styles, all designed to float. CDC is used on most in one
way or another. Some have hackle, some don't. Many have biot bodies, tied so the "rib fibers" are visible. Shucks are usually Zelon, but may be
a mix of Zelon and a few woodduck flank fibers. Lately, I've been experimenting with a parachute hackled emerger with biot body and a short Zelon post tied
on a scud hook.
When I do tie a dun imitation, it's generally my own variation on a thorax design, using a pair of CDC feathers as wings, mounted in the thorax position, a few Coq de Leon fibers as a tail, a biot or dubbed body and a full, standard hackle. Often, while fishing, I'll trim the hackle fibers from the bottom. EP |
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Marty |
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I carry all of them. Compara and parachute get used on gentle waters, Catskills on faster. cdc gets used every where and in lots of different fly's
sometimes I wind puffs on like dubbing for bodies if I have the right color (rib it with thread for durability) or spin some darker fibers into light dubbing
for variegated effect.
Life is too short for cheap scotch and plastic rods.
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SecondHandWolf |
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I think the best style is the style that you have the most ability to tie. All the styles are proven and work. I fish mainly compara-duns, sparkle-duns (ala
Blue Ribbon Flies, West Yellowstone) and Nemes style of Soft Hackles. All of these fit my ability, they are "suggestive", and they stand-up to a
full days fishing well.
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mmorris236 |
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I carry all styles but prefer parachutes simply because I can see the post easily. What I have found though is that if you are having trouble with short takes
or refusals switching the fly style, but keeping the same color and size often fixes the problem. I see this most when I am using catskill ties first and
switch to either parachutes or comparaduns. I wonder if it is because the trout here in the east see a lot more catskill dries than anything else (or my own
hand tied catskill dries are just crap?)? For whatever reason I always have fewer refusals on parachutes, maybe they look more like cripples, who knows.
Carry them all and do not be afraid to periodically switch styles, especially in the middle of a hatch when all of a sudden that pattern that just landed five fish is suddenly dead. |
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Flykuni2 |
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If there is flat water -- stream or river -- my first impulse is the parachute style. When I hit such water my brain says to me, 'parachute water.' The
parachute style is absolutely deadly. I tie a dark red thread body parachute that is my standard. It is simply a rusty spinner, and it works like a charm for
me. It is flat, thin, the right color and looks real, a splayed mayfly. I also fish parachutes as emergers and adults, various colors and sizes. A #18 -- #16
parachute Hare's Ear (or dark squirrel) on a curved hook with a trailing shuck has worked wonders for me in many parts of the country. A generic emerger
that is buggy is a good thing to have, IMHO.
On the truly tough Hot Creek in the Eastern Sierras, at the end of the season, a tiny #24 BWO emerger tied as a parachute dun, or with a looped-wing bud cdc with trailing shuck (on a TMC 206bl, difficult to find in a #24 these days) will fool them. Small flat water patterns need little material; are you overloading your flies, over dressing? We also have a lot of broken, rough water out here, and in that case you sure need the hairy-hackled: Wulffs, Stims, hackled caddis, Trudes, etc. I fish not foam nor rubber legs, if you were wondering. I guess I'd say, 'Flat water, flat patterns, parachutes, cdc things and Comparas.' Catskill styles and traditionally hackled patterns for broken water. Or when fishing bamboo.
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Blue Quill |
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Hi tiptop,
Last Edited By: Blue Quill 04/13/2009 18:49.
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GrsdLnr |
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A vote for Rene Harrop's Hairwing Dun. They're about all I bother tying and fishing anymore. Excellent silhouette for flat water, floats well enough
for fast pocket water. Always have some parachutes and CDC duns as a changeup, but very few trout, if they're truly keyed on the adult stage, will refuse a
hairwing dun as long as it's the right size and reasonably close in color.
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nayashewon |
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I like parachute for both Duns and Spinners, I only vary the wing material and color. Sometimes it depends upon the specie of mayfly. I have found that the
fish react differently to different bugs. On some they prefer and emerger, others a high riding pattern. For me, it is these factors and variations that make
"matching the hatch" so interesting.
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BlackHillsBill |
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I've grown more and more fond of multi-purpose flies the older
and lazier I've become during my retirement--that is, patterns and/or methods of tying which produce, in a single fly, reasonable representations of several mayflies at several stages of their cycles. Two methods of tying have worked particularly well for me in this regard. 1. Jason Borger (Gary's son, and, yes, that remarkable caster in The Movie) has developed an emerger style whose essential difference is in the hackling and post. Use a post of antron if you don't care if the fly sinks a bit or of poly if you want it on top (I prefer dun gray or light yellow). Tie it in a little long, because the trick to tying the fly is to pull the post over the sparse hackle wrapped around it (I like brown-dyed grizzly hackle or, for Callibaetis, regular gray grizzly) and to tie off and clip the post so that it has a slight upward tilt over the eye of the hook. This fly, in the brownish version, can serve as a spinner, as a Mahogany Dun, or as a PMD emerger. 2. Go to p. 399 of the Leeson-Schollmeyer Benchside Reference and check out Tomas Olsson's method for tying a parachute hackle fly, which "uses hackle wrapped around a poly yarn post that is subsequently trimmed and melted, producing a small button that prevents the hackle from sliding upward." You'll need to fashion an easily made tool: a heat shield made from sheet brass. Flies using either of these methods--with various tailing, shuck, body, and hackle materials--are durable as well as adaptable and very easy to tie. In smaller sizes, the tying thread itself will serve as body material, although quill bodies do a better job of tripping my, not necessarily the trout's, trigger. |
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