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 bobbeegee |
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Posts: 2581 04/18/2009 17:13 |
Can anyone tell me how to decipher a Payne serial number?
I guess if you don't have the hang tag you're out of luck as to when the rod was actually built? Anything on the tubes? Bob Go Heels!!! |
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Posts: 1076 04/19/2009 00:09 Moderator |
I've never seen a Payne with a serial #.
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Posts: 202 04/19/2009 00:47 |
if you thinking of the numbers on the hang tags, apparently they are not serial numbers but some sort of inventory control or reference.
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Posts: 2585 04/19/2009 01:24 |
Thanks jz2. So you can't ever know for sure when the rod was built?
Learn something new everyday! Bob Go Heels!!!
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Posts: 203 04/19/2009 02:20 |
I'm sure there are ways to tell. I was repeating what I remember from a discussion that was on this forum a few years back.
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JE Dempsey |
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Posts: 14 04/19/2009 09:41 |
Payne's never carried a serial number. The tags had rod weight model on them
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Posts: 1080 04/19/2009 09:50 Moderator |
There are several ways to put them in a timeframe. Catskill, KGunn and other forum members are experts at this, perhaps they'll chime in.
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jz2 |
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Posts: 204 04/19/2009 12:14 |
This may be what Bob is referring to. What does that number on this tag relate to?
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Posts: 2587 04/19/2009 12:19 |
jz2 wrote: Exactly Jim. What does 12269 designate? Bob Go Heels!!! |
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Posts: 205 04/19/2009 12:33 |
I have no idea. Hopefully the Payne gurus will weigh in. I believe this is from an earler Payne. The cork rings are narrower than normal at 3/8ths inch. Also
the rod is a true 4 ounces. Later versions were heavier.
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Posts: 170 04/19/2009 13:25 |
from what i have been told it was paynes way on doing inventory, and has so you cant use them for help in deciding what year the rod was made, things like
blued ferrules, different models of rods, tubes, and stripping guides and guides well help with identifying age of a rod, as well as tapers. Its not difficult
to age most payne rods as long as they have not been messed with dave
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Posts: 26 04/19/2009 21:09 |
With all the work that we (Greg with Orvis and others with Gary Howells etc.) It would be fun to attempt to translate all of our Payne rods. I think that
there has to be more in those numbers than what has been discussed??????
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Posts: 3 04/23/2009 21:11 |
For a novice, are there any good reference books (besides the Payne catalogs which seem to be impossible to come by) that outline the model numbers, current
line weights, tapers, etc? thanks in advance
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BobS |
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Posts: 1084 04/24/2009 06:00 |
Martin Keane's book Classic Rods and Rodmakers has information on Payne rods and copies of pages from Payne catalogues. The book is expensive but
is often available in libraries.
Other possibilities include the periodic catalogues and website listings of various dealers. |
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Posts: 2136 04/24/2009 06:34 The COOLER |
baxterd88 wrote:FishinBanjo has a site that should prove helpful for this.... http://fishnbanjosplace.yuku.com/directory Brook Trout are God's way of reminding us everything is going to be alright. |
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Posts: 356 04/24/2009 20:08 |
There are hints, tips, cane color guesses, even smell, but the bottom line is without definative provenance there is no "definative" way to date
them. This is one of those areas were there is no substitute for a lot of experience and an informative circle of friends.
The catalogs, don't offer a lot of assistance. I have the last tri-fold, the 1951, even Omar Needham's signed 1938 one but none of them are great references for dating. I was very fortunate over the years to get a few pieces from one source that had a fondness for etching the dates of his rods on the tube caps and that covered rods from 1953-1959, which helps.
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Posts: 77 04/24/2009 20:11 |
The tag tells you the rod is a Payne 202, that is all you need to know. Payne was wonderful in their simple line of maodel and trim detail. A Payne is a Payne
and they are great.
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bobbeegee |
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Posts: 2604 04/24/2009 20:58 |
JimmyB11 wrote: Sorry Jimmy. I want to know more about any Payne rod I might be able to acquire. Bob Go Heels!!! |
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JimmyB11 |
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Posts: 78 04/24/2009 21:11 |
You need to learn about the company, Ed and Jim, their history and philosophies. They didn't offer trend rods and made the same rods over and over, that is
why they all look similar regardless of the model. The Keane book is great but there many articles around. I feel they made the best rods of any of the Eastern
makers.
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Posts: 2606 04/24/2009 21:18 |
Well Jimmy, why don't you tell me all about them.
Please PM and enlighten me. I look forward to the education. Thanks. Bob 
Go Heels!!! |
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astropath |
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Posts: 1 05/02/2009 18:38 |
One thing I read somewhere is that Payne rods were sold by A&F and the ones marked "sold by A&F" were made prior to Jim Payne's death and
those marked "Made for A&F" were made in the 70's. Anypne else have any info? JimP
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