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cwfly	A Thank You - Boxborough		Lead	[-]
Posts: 917 04/20/2009 20:23	Tags : None I had a chance to cut out of work on Friday and get up to Boxborough for the show put together by the effort of people here. If I tried to thank you by name, I might inadvertently skip someone, so I will not. I enjoyed seeing everyone, seeing some fine tackle on display and, as always, learning a great deal from all of you. You have my thanks and my respect for the effort you displayed. Well done! Charlie The brook runs over the bones of the planet and carries the sky on its back…. Odell Shepard
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warrick	Cyber, schmiber....	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 149 04/21/2009 08:40	I second that motion. Many thanks to you all for your efforts to keep classic tackle meets alive and vibrant. It was a pleasure to meet many old and new friends . The past, present , and future of our collecting interests owes you a debt of gratitude. Rick
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searun		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 144 04/23/2009 00:04	I'd like to say "thanks" to all as well. It was a long haul from the Seattle area, and being that it was the first show I've attended it I found that it was well worth my time. It was a true pleasure to meet everyone there, especially those who took the time to set up the booths and show their fine tackle. So many of you answered my many questions so graciously and with patience. I was also able to buy a couple of things I "needed". Greg
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Nympher1	Vendors/Exhibitors opinion?	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 352 04/23/2009 07:03	It was a great effort on relatively short notice and kudos to all who put the show together...unfortunately I wasn't able to attend for the first time in several years.. I am curious however, if the vendors would think about coming back next fall or next year? Was the traffic (and sales) significant enough to warrant the 2nd annual or was this a one time thing? Tough question I know, but it may as well be asked... best regards to all, ron
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reelsmith		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 758 04/23/2009 11:39	Nympher1 wrote: Was the traffic (and sales) significant enough to warrant the 2nd annual or was this a one time thing? Tough question I know, but it may as well be asked... best regards to all, ron No. Traffic was very poor and I doubt most vendors covered their expenses. If I hadn't called my regular buyers and asked them to attend I would have sold next to nothing. I think for the show to survive it will need someone to take it over and run it as a business. It needs a promoter with an advertising budget.
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Housatonic Quill		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 754 04/23/2009 13:51	Dean - You're right that this was probably not a profitable outing for the majority of dealers. I'm not sure that we could have expected it to be, given the short notice and the dearth of publicity. You're probably right again in suggesting that - as I think we all knew - it will only survive if it's run as a business by a promoter, preferably someone with an established client list. It can, however, survive - witness the Somerset and Danbury shows. In my opinion, it will also have to be divorced from the Lang's operation; I think the premise that the presence of the Discovery Auction will serve to draw people to the show is either a false premise or one of very limited truth. The show, as the only Northeast venue, could serve a legitimate and perhaps even profitable purpose, if it were located out of the wilds of Massachusetts and into a higher-volume metropolitan area, such as Portland, Burlington, Portsmouth, or even Boston. Even Kittery or Freeport, with the already established retail magnets, would serve - there's really no reason for a dealer's show to languish in the back of beyond, or to remain tied, both in timing and venue, to an auction operation whose physical footprint has diminished so drastically over the last few years. That said, the show, this year, for all its obvious handicaps and commercial drawbacks, served its social function admirably. Many of us approached it as we would a professional meeting or seminar - as an opportunity to expand our knowledge base, gain exposure to possible new clients, and refresh and strengthen our social/professional networks. The fact that some of the expense could be defrayed by sales was a plus. Can this model survive another outing? Perhaps not. But I don't think anyone would suggest that we can't come up with a better approach, given six or seven months to work on it (rather than two), and a slightly less hostile atmosphere. This was an interim, jury-rigged response to a sudden catastrophe - and as such, it succeeded. If the show had been allowed to die on the vine this spring, it might have been impossible to restart. Thanks and kudos to those who went out on a limb to make it work, and to the dealers and enthusiasts who were there despite the doom-and-gloom surrounding it. Dave The more I think I know, the less I know I know.
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quillg		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 48 04/23/2009 15:02	I believe the low turnout may have had a lot to do with Lang's posting on their site that the auctions were "online only". Yet it was obvious from the live feed that there were in fact people present and bidding on items. ----------- Rich
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cwfly		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 920 04/23/2009 15:12	Rich, It may have appeared that there were people present who were bidding, but that was not the case. The auction was being conducted in a modest room around the corner from the Collectibles show and the door was open and one could see what was going on. There were staff people at tables taking and reporting bids by telephone and bidding for absentee bidders, together with the internet bidding. The auctioneers, who you could see online, were acknowledging bids from the staff, not from any other bidders. The brook runs over the bones of the planet and carries the sky on its back…. Odell Shepard
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jeffkn1		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1859 04/24/2009 06:22	What Charlie said. "The "virtual" auction was held in Boxborough at the same hotel as it has been for more than a decade - the only difference was the lack of public bidders in the auction room. Those in the auction room were: the auctioneers, Lang's crew on the phone with bidders, the online bidding tech, the absentee bidding crew, and the clerks. Because this was our first time without the public in attendance, we kept the door open so anyone who wanted to view the auction in progress was allowed to watch from the hall. We hired more phone bidding staff for this auction as those that were not as comfortable with bidding on the computer wanted to bid via the phone. This is why you would hear the auctioneer occasionally say "ma'am" or "sir", or "the bidder to my left", etc., as these crew members were new. We will continue to hold the auction at the Boxborough Holiday Inn at least through the end of 2010. There was no public preview of the auction items. While we understand this may be disconcerting to some, as they feel they cannot buy without "holding it in their hand", the majority of tackle collectors have built a trusting relationship with Lang's and our appraisers, and have confidence in our descriptions, photos, and guarantee. This is as it should be. Many have commented they feel these changes signal an end of an era, but it doesn't have to be. A strong relationship between a buyer and a seller is an old fashioned notion, but one that a virtual auction actually encourages and fosters." (In the Ganung's own words, as posted at another site.)
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Housatonic Quill		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 755 04/24/2009 10:07	"A strong relationship between a buyer and a seller is an old fashioned notion, but one that a virtual auction actually encourages and fosters." Sorry to be so obtuse, but - how? The more I think I know, the less I know I know.
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HERMES2069		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 532 04/24/2009 11:57	Thanks to all that attendedI think the non Reel, Rod, and Lure Dealers are finished. The Rod and Reel dealers did remarkably well. I saw more rods passing hands that I ever have in the past. It is a good venue for casting before buying. Carmine has it right Send out a catalogue and then have a show. he said he did very well. Next year they might have the Discovery Auction all three days. After that Lang's will be only Virtual or in another location. The Virtual Auction had flaws. You couldn't use Mac and they failed to provide Virtual Kiosks, (laptops for use) Which was Holiday Inn's fault. Phil
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flysupplies		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1256 04/24/2009 17:59	With all the hindsight blame that can be passed out I can't fathom how the Holiday Inn would be responsible to provide laptops so strangers could bid. It wasn't their decision to go virtual. They were nice enough to provice wireless in the show room which wasn't part of the original deal. If true that the local clubs passed show info to their members and folks that attended the discovery day were informed about the dealer show, plus add in all the dealers that told their customers, the only conclusion I can arrive at is that the show should be moved. There is no interest for a dealer show in that area. Many folks seem to prefer overpaying for the auction thrill. Every year I see identical or better condition items on my table sell for more in the auction. Weeks before I attended a small general fishing show on Long Island at a noname college which had very little advertising and the line to get in was around the building. Bob
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bamrod77	Holiday Inn not obligated nor responsible	#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 301 04/24/2009 20:26	Bob, I agree, the Holiday Inn was in no way obligated to provide laptops. The fact that wireless was available made it possible for several of us with Windows-based laptops to follow the virtual auction in the dealer showroom. If there is any culpability it is up to the virtual auction group to make their auction accessible to both MAC and PC laptops. Not stressing strongly enough that Liveauctioneers would only function with a PC caught a number of people with useless MAC's. Although the number of dealers was not as great as in the past, there were still a goodly number of them present. In addition the dealer venue allowed, as always, the camaraderie, the kibbutzing, the selling and buying, and most of all the exchange of information - good, bad, and humorously misleading. Thanks Bob for seeing this through and I hope that I shall see it occur again. Walt "rivers are the gutters down which run the ruins of continents." Luna Leopold
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quillg		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 50 04/24/2009 23:01	cwfly wrote: Rich, It may have appeared that there were people present who were bidding, but that was not the case. The auction was being conducted in a modest room around the corner from the Collectibles show and the door was open and one could see what was going on. There were staff people at tables taking and reporting bids by telephone and bidding for absentee bidders, together with the internet bidding. The auctioneers, who you could see online, were acknowledging bids from the staff, not from any other bidders. cwfly....Thanks for clearing that up...Rich
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HERMES2069	Holiday Inn	#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 533 04/24/2009 23:03	Guys, Get with the program. All the Hotels, including The Holiday Inn chain Have Virtual Kiosks with 5- 10 Laptops for the use of there Lodgers. I'm not going to ask who attended the LI show. Not Jim Payne rod buyers. The Collectable's show will not survive in Boxborough, Without Lang's co promoting. Auctioneers will not lug the merchandise back and forth. Good Luck Regards Phil
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flysupplies		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1257 04/25/2009 14:03	> All the Hotels, including The Holiday Inn chain Have Virtual Kiosks with 5- 10 Laptops for the use of > there Lodgers. Huh? This was Boxborough, not Boston. I had to be in Myrtle Beach last month for a funeral and stayed at a very nice hotel that had wireless in the rooms but only one PC in the lobby for lodgers, same as HI, Box. > I'm not going to ask who attended the LI show. Not Jim Payne rod buyers. You think everyone coming to the Lang's dealer show is a Payne buyer? Hell I ain't even a Payne rod buyer! Unless it's made by Hal. > The Collectable's > show will not survive in Boxborough, Without Lang's co promoting. I guess you don't remember last Nov's show run by Lang's, twice the dealers, pitiful turnout. If free admission this time didn't bring them in, forgetaboutit. We tried. I'll be there in Nov but even if there is a live auction, I probably won't be selling, except out of my room as Dean suggested to me on Sat. Bob Last Edited By: flysupplies 09/10/2009 13:32. Edited 1 time.
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canesterdf	Show ramble the plus side......	#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 366 04/28/2009 13:16	Hello All.......Greetings Denver, CO..Speaking from some show experience I have added some things that add to the cameraderie of a tackle show below...... I try to get out and do 5 or six shows a year. Most are mixed tackle collecting shows but not all. I have lost money at plenty, I have made money on some. I have found great items for my collection at some... The saying is "You just never know" always rings true. I have been to the last 2 Fall "Lang's" shows and enjoyed all of it. I got to renew friendships and found the show to be a visual delight of rods and reels and accessories you just don't see at general snob antique shows and I have wasted some time at those being the ever hopeful tackle junkie..... Don't let your show die, move it to another place Make it an antique tackle festival. let kids in free with their parents. let a couple of tiers tie flies. Advertise free appraisals and buyers on site.. Good luck with the show .. I hope to see you in the Fall...... Ihave added this from my post/query about the Savannah ,GA Show... Different than the former "Langs" show There is a Big collector show being put on Savannah Georgia the 15-16th of May. It should have at least 150 tables. I am thinking of flying out to have a great couple of days looking Digging Learning seeing friends and meeting new ones. Whether it is lure show or reel show or fly fishing show there is always some fly tackle and sometimes the price is good and sometimes not. There is always something going on and as a bonus me being a Diner fan someone in Savannah makes the best Chicken fried Steak in the world and maybe the next one will have the best blueberry pie I have had in ten years !........better yet some little kid being dragged along to the show will be interested in some funny little lure or cheap box of flies I don't have much into. I give it to him or her for 50 cents or free with parents okay. Another tackle collector or flyfisher gets a start....... maybe even they thank you, or send you a postcard....Anyway you look at it A real live show beats the Spit out of a virtual auction....this is the real stuff of tackle and fishing Ramble yes, Truth yes..... the tackle adventure continues.....Best,Paul PS I am going to add part of this to the Lang's thread move the show don't let die don't try to be exclusive the more and varied the better.....
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BruceHandley		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1202 05/05/2009 08:01 Crusty Old Fart	Some final thoughts on the dealers show. I for one had a good time, and I thought it was worth a try to save the show. I sold 3 rods and 9 or 10 reels plus 6 or 7 books for a friend, and as many of you know I'm not a dealer. Did I make a profit, I don't know, but then that has never been the reason I went to Boxborough in the past. I did get a chance to spend time with good friends, look at a fair amount of fishing related items, and pick up enough abuse to get me through the summer. Some of you I'll see in September while salmon fishing in Cape Breton and others perhaps never, if there isn't another show. If there is another show I'll be there and yes I'd take another table. When I took a table in the last show it was just to help support the "effort", then I wondered what I'd put on said table. Well, a quick pass through my shop and den and I had a full table. A sure sign that I have a lot of "stuff" that I don't need, could I fill another table, I think so. With luck, there will be another show in November and I'll do it all over again. I think the trick to going to one of these shows is to come home with less than you went down with. In the past, thats never been the case, but then I'm learning. The bottom line is that I had a good time and I'm sorry that some of the dealers don't feel the same. The show was put together on very short notice and many of us did the best we could. Bruce
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