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Larry M	Dame, Stoddard Co.		Lead	[-]
Posts: 1 04/21/2009 02:16	Tags : None Hi everyone! Many years ago my late father-in-law gave me a Dame Stoddard Co., Boston, Neverbreak nine-foot split-bamboo fly rod. It has a slow action, spare tip and is in very good to excellent condition. It has a fitted, cloth-lined hard holder that the sections fit into. The entire unit slips lengthwise into the original canvas case. The case has several tears from age and some staining. Does anyone have an idea of its current value? Please email me at LBMoniz@Juno.com
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Whitefish Press		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 312 04/21/2009 13:01 Sic transit piscatoria Clark's	Posting photos will help to ID maker, which is where the value lies. Neverbreak was a trade name used as early as the late 1890s and as late as the 1920s. So it could be a large number of makers ranging from Hawes to Montague. -- Dr. Todd
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Larry M		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2 05/02/2009 15:39	Hi Doc! Thanks for the input. I have photos but don't know how to upload them to this site. If you wish, email me at LBMoniz@Juno.com and I'll reply with two pics of the Dame Stoddard flyrod. Best, Larry
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TheMontyMan	Photos of Larry's rod...	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 90 05/03/2009 16:47	Larry send me photos of his Dame Stoddard Neverbreak rod. Here they are - The reel seat looks nearly identical to those found on early Montague Red Wings (pre-1932), and their predecessors, but many companies made similar hardware, and several makers used Montague hardware. The high number of guides, and the loads of intermediate wraps indicate that this was probably a high quality rod. I requested close-ups of the ferrules and winding check. . . . Rex TheMontyMan
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jeffkn1		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1880 05/03/2009 17:50	That reel seat barrel saw use on a great many Montagues over the years, and it was also seen on at least one generation of Izaak Walton rods, as well as on a ca1900 William Read Imperial, attributed to Fred Thomas. The formcase is typical of Montague's better grades
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hopkintoncane		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 407 05/03/2009 19:35	I have a very similar rod, when I posted pics board members suggested a Montague attribution, based on my examination of a couple of Radios from the 20's I would agree. Absolutely fabulous wet fly rod, Todd
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freestoner		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 652 05/04/2009 23:56	Yep, that's a Montague from before the era of "economizing."
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TheMontyMan	Montague trade rod...	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 92 05/05/2009 00:41	Not much doubt in my mind that both of these rods were made by Montague for Dame, Stoddard. I have a rod marked "M.C. Rod Co. - Amherst, Mass." that is a dead ringer for both of these rods. The hardware is nearly identical and the wrap pattern is identical down to the number of intermediates between the guides. The Conway Special trade rods are nearly identical as well. This first picture shows the rod marked "M.C. Rod Co. - Amherst, Mass." at the left, followed by 2 rods marked "Marshall Field & Co. - Conway Special" The picture below shows 2 marked Red Wing models (top and bottom) with one of the rods marked "Marshall Field & Co. - Conway Special" in the middle. I love when trade rods can be compared this closely to a marked specimen! I'd still like to see close-ups of the ferrules and winding check on Larry's rod. . . . Rex TheMontyMan
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Larry M	Hope this helps	#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3 05/16/2009 22:36	Hi everyone, especially Rex. (many thanks for the great input!) I finally got a few more photos taken of my Dame Stoddard rod. I've created an album that should be accessible to all. The sense I'm getting is that this is one of the better old split-bamboo fly rods out there. Is that an accurate assessment? Although I've fly fished for about half a century, never had time to become really proficient, nor any kind of expert on the subject. All I'm sure of is that catching my first trout on a weird dry fly I built while in college was a memory I still retain all these years later. :-) Thanks for the input. Best, Larry
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darrelll		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 70 05/27/2009 14:09	I think some of you might be selling your trade rods short. Varney provided seats and ferrules for companies such as Thomas, Edwards & Payne who built the Kosmics and the model Izaak Walton of which I own a couple of rods. They use the Varney reel seats and look very much like the rods shown in this thread. Check page 130 in AJ Campbell's excellent book. If they can be attributed to T,E & P... obviously the value goes way up... Speaking of Radio Rods, I've got several of them and I've been stumped as to who was the maker of them. I've got one that has some of the fanciest metal work I've ever seen on a early rod. Any ideas?
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jeffkn1		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1904 05/27/2009 14:35	"Radio" was a registered trademark used in the 1920's by Montague. Radio rods were retailed through a number of different outlets. Campbell hinted at a Thomas connection but the Montague catalog proves otherwise. I don't think that's the last example of questionable attribution concerning members of the Leonard gang, either. For some of us the jury is still out regarding the use of Varney and/or Montague/Varney components on trade rods.
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Whitefish Press		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 446 05/29/2009 09:40 Sic transit piscatoria Clark's	By the way, "Conway Special" was a trade name of Marshall Field & Co. of Chicago. Neat rods. -- Dr. Todd
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