I have an old Hardy Perfect from the 1950- the straight-line writing model with enamel paint, which is mostly worn off on the one I have. Is there anyone out
there- in particular a factory or factory authorized shop- that can professionally re-do the original paint job?
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Does the Hardy factory re-paint old Hardy reels?
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Does the Hardy factory re-paint old Hardy reels? |
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Posts: 215 05/03/2009 00:46 |
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Posts: 395 05/03/2009 06:33 |
I would try contacting Hardy directly, my guess is that it might be possible, but at a
great cost.
But you never know, please report back what you get as a reply. Interesting question! Wilfred de Bruijn
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Posts: 25 05/04/2009 12:40 |
Hardy no longer have the ovens to bake the enamel. So doubt you will have to use another method. Someone told me Toyota Grey spray on car enamel is the closest
they have got to it!
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Posts: 120 05/04/2009 16:57 |
i hit a brick wall with that one too , as i did with mallochs , u need to dig a lot deeper and not concentrate on reels , try metal coating specialists , it
may cost a lot though , u could do it urself but its quite a difficult process..
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oddsnrods |
Maybe something to try.... | #4 | ||
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Posts: 205 05/04/2009 19:14 |
Make friends with an orthodontist and ask to borrow his dental sandblaster, which resembles an air-brush which shoots very fine sand (to clean braces). Use
this to remove but a couple of microns of metal along with the old enamel on the reel, any machining marks on the reel will be preserved. Then be off to your
local stove supplier to purchase some matching grey stove
 spray paint. Spray the reel (I think primer is not required, but need to try it myself....) and
as this is a high temp. paint, it can be hardened in an oven. I am sure that the reel can be polished (2000+ grit wet/dry then metal polish) and maybe even
waxed to give a decent , tough and quite Hardy result. Car spray alone does not tend to pass the fingernail scratch on the edge test. Just a thought.
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Hardy reel paint | #5 | ||
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Posts: 3211 05/04/2009 20:24 |
About 20 years ago, I did quite a bit of experimenting with and restoration work on painted Hardy reels.
To duplicate the original graphite-color paint, I used the Floquil brand of model railroad lacquers which, unfortunately, are no longer available. The pigment was extra fine (good for airbrush work) and they baked to a very durable finish. I still have a 3 1/8" Perfect which I restored. The "new" paint has held up remarkably well over the years. Regards, Flyman 
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Posts: 1388 05/04/2009 20:41 |
flyman
could you please post a picture of that reel for us to see what it looks like , i have seen a few reels that were black leaded , some great some not so great i did see a pink hardy princesss one time on that auction site , they the seller thought it was a so called spitfired reel , it was just painted pink , anyone else remember seeing that reel , it had the stamp in it also of the famous hardy reel maker 'DD , and when i asked i was told it was a so called dingley that just got stamped twice , i don't think it was myself , it never brought much money if i can remember back as it was a fake reel , i see nothing wrong in getting one of them releaded or restored reels if they told you it was done , monty montana sent me one that was just like brand new , fooled him and me for a bit , was a 1912 check uniqua that was totally redone , it was a wonderfull job , you could just see the hairline crack if you turned it into the sun at the correct angle , a great reel to use , just not collect , what was bad was the reel was sold to poor ol monty as a new mint old reel for collecting , not for useing ,
Richard
Check out my web site for vintage reels & rods , guided float trips on canada's # 1 best trout river http://bowriveradventures.googlepages.com/home |
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Posts: 3212 05/04/2009 21:51 |
Richard:
I'll think about posting a photo of my re-painted Perfect (it's not a leaded reel), but after the ration of crap I took regarding my recent post on B-C Aluminum Black, I'm not sure it would be worthwhile, frankly. Please understand, I restored this, and a very few other painted reels, for myself and no one else. They were indeed intended for fishing, not for "collecting" or re-sale, although the results were very satisfactory IMHO. Some on this Forum seem to think every English reel is a candidate for a museum, or at least should be. In this case, I would respectfully disagree. Regards, Scott 
Last Edited By: Flyman615 05/04/2009 21:53.
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Posts: 1390 05/05/2009 00:44 |
Scott
i see nothing wrong with sending a reel to be releaded or restored , some of them reels that have cracked frames and show up being redone , i don't see anything wrong with it as it's just a reel that been saved and is good for alot more years for fishing , if you would of seen that reel monty montana has , it is just a wonderfull looking reel , look like it just came out of the box from 1912 , first time i ever had a restored reel in my hands , seen lots of pictures of them but not in my hands , it was so nice that even i was second guessing myself about sending it back to monty , it came down to that i had lots of reels to fish , so for collecting it just was not 100% correct with that hairline crack , i decided to pass on it , but if i didn't have lots of my own reels to fish , i would of kept that reel just to fish it i'm looking forward to seeing your pictures of your restored reel , and those that don't like your restored reel can just click and move along to the next post i
Richard
Check out my web site for vintage reels & rods , guided float trips on canada's # 1 best trout river http://bowriveradventures.googlepages.com/home |
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oddsnrods |
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Posts: 206 05/05/2009 14:11 |
Restoring reels may de-value a valuable item, however well done. With a 'well used' 1950's Youngs fly reel, for instance, a coat of new paint will
not do much to its value and will protect it from the elements while you fish. Try the same with an old Perfect and its value will be much reduced when the
time comes to sell it. And there are always one or two individuals who regularly 'restore' older reels then pass them off as original on that famed
auction site.....
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Flyman615 |
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Posts: 3213 05/05/2009 15:31 |
See, with all due respect, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
I simply don't agree or assume that any old 1960's Perfect with 50% paint is always more "valuable" unrestored. And if I prefer to restore one I own, that's my choice, right? Especially if I intend to fish it and am not really concerned about "when the time comes to sell it". The original post for this thread, after all, asked about restoring Hardy reels, so there might be somewhat of a demand for such services just as there is for the restoration of fine guns, paintings or, yes, even fly rods. Lastly, please don't throw everyone who restores reels in with those who do so, evidently, to deceive unwitting buyers. That sort of association is really quite offensive, to my way of thinking. Regards again, Flyman 
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Posts: 180 05/05/2009 16:00 |
I have seen a number of reels that were perhaps in the hands of someone who did not care for the reel very well and showed quite noticeable signs of wear,
scratching, flaked paint and so on. I think that a reel in that condition is not going to sell for a very good price and that if, in the right hands, it were
to be cleaned, lubed, worn parts replaced and the finish redone it would create more interest and would sell for a higher price than the unrestored reel if the
restoration was noted at the time of sale.
I would also think if a craftsman were to do this work it would be obvious after time who was doing the work and there would be some demand. We see this all of the time with bamboo rods that are listed for sale, although the restoration is usually more identifiable then perhaps a reel restoration would be. If it is OK to refinish cane rods and sell them then why not the same with reels and why would they be devalued? |
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Posts: 407 05/05/2009 17:08 |
A restored rod is less valuable than a rod in good original condition, isn't it? And it's all about it being honestly advertised.
Scott, I don't see anyone who disagrees with you. If you decide to restore a reel you own, it's your choice and nobody else's business. If you sell it as restored or refinished it's also perfectly OK. Several forum members including myself (recently) have been decieved by a refinished reel that was advertised as original, so I guess that makes the subject a bit tricky / sensitive. Wilfred de Bruijn
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Posts: 1050 05/05/2009 17:26 Moderator |
Scott, I agree 100% with all you've said and would love to see a pic of your Hardy Perfect. BTW, since your post about the B & C , Ive acquired some of
it as well as some of the Jax and plan to experiment myself on some beaters I've got. (and, my humble apologies if I offended you in any way- it surely
wasn't my intent).
But back to the original topic here- it may be helpful to freestoner and others considering the same restoration to see the results of your work even though the reel does have some years on it now. Regards, Tom |
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Posts: 1394 05/05/2009 19:09 |
scott
thats right , it's your reel and you can do whatever you want with it , even paint it pink if you so wish , i don't see anything wrong with restoreing a reel , one must use a bit of sense and again if you own the reel it's yours to do what ever , i have seen and had in my hands a hardy 1912 check uniqua from monty , i'm telling you guys it was just like you picked it up from the shelf , it was perfect and a very nice reel , it was cracked and thats why it was redone , so to me it was saved and not thrown out in the landfill dump , i would by a restored reel to fish , not collect , if the price was fair for it just being a fishing reel and not a collectable reel then i'd buy it for fishing for sure now what FWdb ''wilf'' says is the very most important thing of it all , '''''And it's all about it being honestly advertised'''' that is the million dollar question , yes some ruin it for others and guys get burnt all because to get the extra money you don't say it's restored or refinished , mostly on the auction site that we all love so much hoping to get the great deal of the day , one has to do homework and ask around , alot of our forum members have been ripped off in the last 4 months and i feel sick that it happens ,we lost the ebay page and i fought to have it stay as i knew and could see what would happen , just ask monty how he's feeling , or cd moore , i could go and name other members , we should all be on the look out to help each other out , trouble is some guys just think if they let the cat out of the bag then they might not win it , we all see it anyway , or another mistake is guys pull the trigger fast as they think such a deal , again my reel friends , you can always ask some of the guys on here for advice , i don't know myself enough about hardys and i always ask for help from members in the u.k , i also ask mr hardy guy from B.C for his advice lots and even the bogdan man '' turtle will help if you ask , it's alway blows me away what a extra set of eyes can see that you'll miss , as for a refinished reel or a restored reel , after seeing one and having it in my hands ,i 'll buy them for myself to fish with if the reel is honestly advertise as such and i'll tell my friends to buy them if the price is cheep and last , i'll also add that the ones doing it know what they are doing and are masters at it , very very good craftmans , hats off to them for just lovely work , they are only trying to make money as we all like the good ol buck , i'm looking forward to seeing your reel scott , and tom shows us how your reels are turning out , i remember seeing a reel bulldog touched up a scratch with that blackner jax , it really looked better to me , i hope this don't stir up a hornets nest
Richard
Check out my web site for vintage reels & rods , guided float trips on canada's # 1 best trout river http://bowriveradventures.googlepages.com/home |
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Flyman615 |
Re-painted Perfect | #15 | ||
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Posts: 3214 05/05/2009 19:39 |
OK, Fellows:
Here's the re-painted 3 1/8" Hardy Perfect in question. For those of you who think it came out OK, thanks in advance! Regards, Flyman
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Posts: 977 05/05/2009 19:51 |
She's a looker, Scott ... nice work!!
PS As an aside, always remember this line from the Beatles 1967 classic, Fool On The Hill ... "But he never listens to them, he knows that they're the ... 
"Don't surround yourself with yourself, move on back two squares" ~ I've Seen All Good People ... by, YES |
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Posts: 1051 05/05/2009 19:59 Moderator |
Beautiful job, Scott! That is really one good looking reel. Thanks for sharing it.
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Posts: 260 05/05/2009 20:14 |
I,ve been watching this post as have St George coming that is said to be mechanically good but in poor paint condition,was reasonable price ,good I thought and
as want to fish it anyway figured buy it,always wanted a George. Seeing how nice your Perfect looks Scott,a really excellent job too my eye,maybe I,ll get
brave and try to do my reel as well. I don,t know what yours looked like to start with but can,t fault how it looks now. thanks for sharing it. Daryl
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Posts: 397 05/05/2009 20:26 |
You have some real talent there Scott, congrats!!! Stunning, and that agate colour just sets it off.
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Flyman615 |
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Posts: 3215 05/05/2009 20:45 |
Thanks very much, guys, for the nice comments.
This reel had about 50% original paint remaining when I received it many years ago in a trade. Since I couldn't afford a brand new Perfect at the time, I thought restoration/re-finish was the best route to go. So I simply developed some of my own techniques to get the job done that you see above. Frankly, I liked the results much better than the flaked off and chipped finish on the reel when I got it. While it's not a collectible example by any means, I think it looks pretty good on some of my bamboo rods to this day. Thanks again for considering my opinions on the subject and sorry if I hijacked the thread! Best, Scott
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