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kinzua |
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Last Edited By: kinzua 06/11/2008 21:27.
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gespliesste |
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I hope they make some in LHW !
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orange caddis |
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if they are made in korea they shouldn't even bother
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EGFB |
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The Perfects will NOT be made in Korea.
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gespliesste |
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Why are you so sure that they will be made in England? Will they make LHW?
Olaf
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orange caddis |
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how do you know? from what i understand they do not have a plant in the uk anymore.....
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troutbumwannab |
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My company (Bobcat) was bought out by a S. Korean company 7 months ago and as part of a familiarization program - they invited us to tour several of their
factories in Korea. I guess I was a bit sceptic about Korean companies in general, but my trip there changed my mind. The new owner of my company (Doosan)
makes among many other things - VERY precise 5 axis machining centers. To illustrate the accuracy of these machines, they took a solid block of metal and
machined it in such a way that there was only a thin base remaining with 20 hair thin pins protruding upwards by about 2 inches high from the base (all one
piece) - an incredible accomplishment if you can picture it. The factory was "white room" clean and state of the art - world class. They also build
100,000HP ship engines, power plants, heavy excavators, desalinization plants, and beer!
I've toured several of our previous owner's (Ingersoll-Rand) factories in England and they looked like little was changed since the place opened shortly before WWII (also a machine making plant). Perhaps not apples to apples comparison, but what I'm trying to say is that I don't doubt the Koreans could build a good reel. I have around 20 Hardy's now and wouldn't think twice about buying a new Perfect LHW made in Korea. |
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Greg Reynolds |
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I've fished Hardy reels almost exclusively for almost 30 years and own quite a few of them. Like most, I would have rather they continued to be made in
England. However, given equal quality, I'd buy a Korean-made LHW Perfect without hesitation and not be too concerned about the emotional aspects.
After months of research, including conversations with the president of Reagent Chemical, I bought one despite the opinions of many of the Parker crowd.
I'm truly glad I did. The gun has been great in most-all respects and has appreciated nicely in value despite its Asian origins. I'm certain it would
take about 4.5 times its last full retail price ($3470) to buy a new gun of equal quality today. The interesting thing is that it's now well-regarded as a
best value for quality, and if their forum is any measure, it's been largely accepted by the Parker boys.
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ZenCane |
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EGFB wrote: Geven Hardy's lack of forthcomingness regarding where current "classic" style reels are made, added to the fact that those reels are showing up with "Made In Korea" stickers, the assumption would have to be that all future reels will be made there, unless there is some evidence to the contrary (and at this point, given the history of such claims, "someone from Hardy told me so" does not constitute evidence). |
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orange caddis |
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Agreed, i would not believe anything they say and I would never buy a hardy from korea. Who cares about how they manufacture?
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FWdB |
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orange caddis wrote: In this global market apparently lots of companies do, and so do their customers.
Wilfred de Bruijn
Last Edited By: FWdB 06/19/2008 01:24.
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mvbrooks |
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The new Hardy reels are very different. A small example - whereas the English made versions had small machined feet, the newer ones are stamped. The metal is a
lower grade of aluminum and, in order to achieve equivalent strength, they are much thicker and do not fit smaller classic reel seats. Likewise, the gears are
softer brass, not classic marine brass. They may still be good reels, but they aren't "real" Hardy's.
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orange caddis |
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agreed, how could they be when they are made by someone who could care less about fly fishing in a country that has no history of the sport? Anyone that thinks
this is just about manufacturing is not getting the point IMO
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jbarnick |
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Considering the shear automation in the reel manufacturing market these days, it doesn't matter whether the man (or woman) that hits the "start"
button on the CNC mill fishes or not. The plans for the reels already exist, and if they are made to the same specs, it doesn't matter where it comes
from. The days of reels personally stamped by the person that made the reel with a passion are over save for a few smaller operations of high end reels. When
you start messing with the process (substituting metals and finish techniques for example), then you see a difference in quality. While it is nice to support
a more local economy (I would prefer an American made reel to a hardy for example), this doesnt make the product superior. You can make cheap, crappy reels in
the UK or US too. By refusing to even consider a product based on country of origin is just plain silly. Korea has people just as capable to make quality
products just as the UK or US does. All I know is I wont be getting one based on price. For $850 I will just pick up a used older one (or two).
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Reeldane |
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Anyone know the exact rules for calling a product "Made in USA" ?
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EGFB |
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Is definately made in Alnwick England. This will not be sent to Asia for manufacture. From what I hear the production run will be limited. There is an
aniversary St George coming from Alnwick too as well as Salmon Perfects. In the autumn of this year.
It is against the law to say Made in England if it is not made in England - especially in USA. Hence all ofshore reels are just marked "Hardy" |
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Akroyd |
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Currently the United States requires 51% of the item to be made in the USA to earn the Made in the USA label. I don't know what the English one is right
now, but it may be as high as 80%, which was the last number I have heard referenced. I am not sure if the 51% or 80% is by value or weight or what the
distinction is (there may not be one).
As far as the labels go, as others have said, if it does not say Alnwick England, Made in England, or Made in Alnwick England on the reel, assume it's made elsewhere. I will leave it up to others to debate the value of the Korean/English made reels, I have had my say on that already, and to each his own. Would I fish a Korean made Hardy, sure. Do I expect them to have gone up in value 50 years from now when I am about ready to call it quits, no, not at all. Quality aside, the Asian made reels will be made and sold in greater numbers, that alone will dillute the future value. On a side note, I have just recieved a repair on one of my Hardy's that is English made, and had the reel re-spooled with backing. While spooling, the spool locked up, and the reel is now being returned (again) to Hardy to be repaired. It took 5 weeks to replace a screw that was broken last time, it will be interesting to see how long it takes to fix whatever they did to it while it was there. |
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DoctorFly |
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Reeldane wrote: UK Law basically depends on the interpretation of the word "made", so that the UK manufacturing process must produce a product that is substantally different from the sum of its parts. A UK Honda or Toyota is "Made in England" because of the complexity of the assembly process. Screwing two parts together and putting them in a box would not be. Regards, Doc |
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