Canon G10 vs. Panasonic LX3 opinions?

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CreationBear	Canon G10 vs. Panasonic LX3 opinions?		Lead	[-]
Posts: 91 04/27/2009 07:40	Tags : None I'm in the market for a compact that I can keep with me on my rambles here in the Southern Appalachians, and these two models seem to be the consensus picks of a lot of folks. While I've not had a chance to handle the Panny, the G10 really impressed me with its ergonomics, especially since the LM3's joystick strikes me as being a little fiddley for my big hands. Still, having a Leica lens that's a full stop faster than the Canon's might come in handy down in these deep hollers. Any first hand impressions under field conditions?
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dorenac		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 38 05/01/2009 14:34	While not able to contribute information to the question, I, too, would be interested in some feedback. Both cameras seem very good, but in different ways. The Lumix appears smaller to fit in a vest, and has a fast piece of glass in it. The Canon is larger, but has a longer focal length, too. And I agree with CreationBear the "manual" operation seems somewhat funky with the Lumix. But that Leica glass is compelling, also.
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CreationBear		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 92 05/01/2009 15:58	As luck would have it, I honored my Scots forebears yesterday by eschewing both $450 dollar options in favor of the Canon A590is that Office Max is running on sale for $109. Here are a few shots from my wife's garden this morning: I'm still getting the hang of it of course, but overall, it seems a good deal for an 8 mp camera with image stabilization--I doubt I'll carry it "on-stream" since it's not waterproof, but hopefully it will ride on my backpack's shoulder-strap without too much fuss.
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nativebrownie	Great buy - no doubt about it...	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 780 05/01/2009 19:02	CB, Beautiful shots - gorgeous color - Now that is a greatbuyy... We're up to similar things - just tried out a $79 Samsung S860. Not up to your Canon or mine, but its heart is in the right place:
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maruoff		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 902 05/05/2009 01:45	I have taken pictures with both these cameras and actually own the predecessor of the lx3. both are in my humble opinion the best compact cameras on the market today. which one is best for you really depends on your taste. both make excellent pictures, have excellent sharpness and clarity for a compact camera and both can shoot raw-format (not sure with the new lx3-though but you might want to check). I decided for the panasonic in the end because of its small format and versatility (wide angle, 16:9 etc.). the G10 is quite a bit bigger and heavier and thus didnt suit me for my need for a small compact yet good outdoor-capable compact camera. as can be seen here for macro-purposes nearly all small compact cameras are OK. it is with wide angle, zoom and composed shots that you notice the price difference. and that is worth it if you want to be able to have quality throughout the range of possibilities.
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CreationBear		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 106 05/05/2009 16:25	Maruoff-- Thanks for the reply...I'll definitely look forward your posting some of your work on the board--the examples I've seen elsewhere from those Leica lenses have been amazing. As for myself, I'm about half-convinced that the only way to do justice to my "hollers" is to go large format--although that might not leave much time (or money) for flyfishing.
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tiptop		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 553 05/05/2009 19:20	I own a G10 that I've had for several months now. I bought it because I travel with my wife a fair amount and have tired of carrying a full size digital SLR and lenses -- so to me it's considerably smaller than what I had been using. It's capable of delivering great shots and is superior to most small point and shoots, but a full sized digital SLR is much more capable in many ways. But for what I bought it for it's perfect. I used it constantly on a three week vacation to central america and have become very familiar with all the controls and capabilities. Yes, the lens is a bit on the slow side but the image stabilization compensates to some degree for that shortcoming and allows you to shoot at slower shutter speeds than you would without it. The exposure compensation knob on top of the camera is super convenient and the battery life between charges is outstanding. The large, bright LCD is way better than older LCDs and makes an optical viewfinder not as necessary. I use a Pentax Optio for fishing that's smaller, lighter, and waterproof -- it's ok for what it is but falls far short of the G10. The LM3 is its closest competitor and is also a fine camera but I favor the G10's range of focal lengths and other features. But you need to decide based on your own preferences -- there has been a lot written comparing the two cameras. Good luck!
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CreationBear		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 94 05/05/2009 21:09	Tiptop-- Thanks for the feedback...I agree about the G10's LED--after using my old 2 mp Olympus Stylus "fishing camera," the brightness of the Canon's almost made me buy it on the spot. As you say, though, that's a really tricky price point between the "serious" compacts and the DSLR's...even more so when you realize the really small Olympus DSLR's with a 25mm lens aren't that much larger than the G10. At any rate, there aren't any technical reasons to take a bad photo these days...
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Cane Head		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2216 05/06/2009 01:51	I got a G10 shortly after Canon released it last October. I didn't want a DSLR and I was looking for a digital that functioned a lot like my rangefinder film cameras - the G10 fit the bill for me in a digital package. While the instruction manual is somewhat thick, the user menu and controls are very intuative. Here are some of the features that sold me: 1. I can pick which ISO speed I want to use 2. I can go point n shoot or I can go totally manual i.e. select shutter speed, f-stop, manual focus, etc. 3. I can actually shoot in BW while utilizing a red, yellow, or IR filter and get the same results as if shooting BW film w/ these filters instead of shooting in color and transfering it to BW. I can also use a polarizing filter in either color or BW. 4. I like the wider lens capability over the G9. 5. Has extremely close macro 6. 14.7 mega pixels 7. Quite a few custom accessories available - i.e. extension tubes that allow use of screw in filters or a lens hood. 8. A view finder with diopter adjustment - I use it for my kids' sporting activities - easier to follow them instead of watching the screen. 9. Availabilty of an old school leather camera case designed like those of my rangefinders - 2 pc w/top and bottom. Something I wish it did have is a interchangeable lens capability with a lens mount in the old Leica Screw Mount. Cane
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CreationBear		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 107 05/06/2009 13:30	Cane-- Yes, I really do like the "analog" dials for exposure comp and ISO on the G10...all in all, a well thought out camera (especially when the other compacts I've held have been like handling a bar of soap.) If I hit the wall in terms of the A590's performance, I'll imagine it will be "re-gifted" pretty quickly...
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spruce grouse		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1328 05/07/2009 11:42	Damn, I've been obsessing about upgrading my Pentax WR44 to a newer waterproof camera or bucking up and getting a D90 for everything non-fishing related (but including good shots of tackle) and now you have me thinking that maybe I should get a G10 or the LX3. This is almost as bad as trying to decide which rod to get.
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CreationBear		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 108 05/07/2009 12:17	Spruce-- If you think choosing is hard now, check out the new "Micro Four Thirds" format that Olympus and Panasonic are trying to launch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Four_Thirds Of course, if the "rods" analogy holds up, everybody will buy one of each, then pick the equivalent of the good ol' 8-foot five weight when it's time to go fishing...
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oldschoolcane	Waterproof is it necessary?	#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 81 05/07/2009 13:34	Not to detract from this thread but does anyone use a regular digital but carry it on the water in a waterproof case? Wouldn't this be a reasonable solution for those that haven't gone to the full waterproof? Tim
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tiptop		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 554 05/07/2009 15:17	A waterproof case is available for many camera models, including the G10 (which isn't waterproof, BTW) but they tend to be pricey and bulky. The beauty of a waterproof point&shoot is its small size. I have enough trouble not overloading my fishing vest without toting a large camera. I wear my cigarette pack sized Optio on a lanyard around my neck with the camera in my shirt or vest pocket so it's not putting weight on my neck and if I drop it the lanyard catches it. I can operate it one-handed if necessary. It's not very high end price or features-wise, but it's adequate for fishing. One thing that hasn't been mentioned about the G10 is that it's a 15 mpix camera. This can be both positive and negative. On the plus side, you can crop dramatically and still end up with a decent, printable file size. But you should have an up to date computer with good processing speed and plenty of storage if you choose to take full sized files.
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Aransas		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 181 05/07/2009 17:52	I've been shooting with a G10 for about eight months now. It's an amazing camera as long as you don't shoot with a setting above 100 ISO. At settings above 100 ISO, there 's a LOT of digital noise introduced into the image, and this is due to the small sensor that has such a high pixel count. In low light situations, it's nice to be able to dial the ISO up to 400, or higher, but the G10 does not produce quality images at these settings. I keep the camera set at 100 or 80 ISO. On the positive side, the G10 produces realistic colors and has tons of great features. There are rumors that Canon will be introducing a full sized sensor version of this camera. There's lot of great info on digital cameras at the Digital Photography Review.
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tiptop		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 555 05/07/2009 22:06	The G10's small sensor and high pixel count do result in noise at the higher iso settings. This has been pointed out in the reviews of the camera. However, I've found that unless you're doing an extreme crop the noise is quite acceptable even at iso 400. I always shoot at as low an iso as possible and don't go over iso 400.
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CreationBear		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 98 05/08/2009 14:19	A G10 with a full-sized sensor would be a great seller, I think: Sigma tried that with their DP2 I think (which people tend to either love or hate.)
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tiptop		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 556 05/09/2009 06:36	If Canon puts a larger sensor with significantly less noise in their G series camera (G11 or G12 maybe?) and holds the line on camera size I would upgrade. However, I'm not holding my breath because I think an increase in sensor size would require larger lenses and body. IMO, point and shoots are compromises at best and while I'd like the performance of a Canon 1D or 5D in a G series package for $400, it's not going to happen any time soon. Maybe eventually if there are quantum advances in technology.
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Aransas		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 182 05/09/2009 07:30	tiptop wrote: If Canon puts a larger sensor with significantly less noise in their G series camera (G11 or G12 maybe?) and holds the line on camera size I would upgrade. However, I'm not holding my breath because I think an increase in sensor size would require larger lenses and body. IMO, point and shoots are compromises at best and while I'd like the performance of a Canon 1D or 5D in a G series package for $400, it's not going to happen any time soon. Maybe eventually if there are quantum advances in technology. I agree, but there's no telling what Canon, Nikon, or others have up their sleeves. It's a very competitive market and innovation pays great rewards.
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nohackle	Re panasonic	#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 582 05/09/2009 10:07	Good to know I'm not the only one strugglin with this dilemma. I used to have the pentax WR44 but had lots of battery and other issues and as a result ( more emotional than logical) hadn't considered the newer pentax waterproofs. I was disappointed in pic quality with a friends olympus so was waiting for the panasonic TS1, their new waterproof that just came out. Always a gamble to pick up a new model and the initial reviews are mixed although most seem to think it has distinguished itself from the other waterproof cameras. I'm not so interested in actual underwater shots but not worrying about the camera getting a splash here or there is certainly a plus. At this point I'm leaning towards getting the canon SD880 and take my chances. http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/TS1/TS1A.HTM You guys seem quite knowledgeable ....what do you think of that plan? Last Edited By: nohackle 05/09/2009 10:10. Edited 1 time.
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Aransas		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 186 05/09/2009 10:45	Nohackle, While fishing I use an Olympus Stylus 1030SW which is waterproof and shockproof. It does a decent job and is especially good on the macro setting. Indoor and photos are very poor though. Like others, it's a compromise camera, but it's nice having something you don't have to worry about dunking. The shot below was taken with my Olympus.
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