I know of one from the mid-1880's who was making wooden tubes. Were there any earlier that?
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Who was the first to sell their rods in tubes?
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Posts: 2135 05/07/2009 11:28 King of the Gnomes |
Henry Loftie patented the rod tube but I have seen one Murphy in a very intricate tube ,Tom Kerr has that critter;-) and Orvis was doing their wood tube in the
1880's also but others might have been McHarg with their tapered square wood tubes and The Crane Company was making tubes as early as the 1890's.
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Posts: 1205 05/07/2009 12:12 Crusty Old Fart
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Right, the Orvis wooden tube, good call Jeff. And for you that look at "that auction site" and pass by any rod listed as being in a "wooden
box" you might be interested to know that Orvis used a box before the wooden tube. It was about 1 1/2" square with a flip top and hook assembly.
I've seen both a cane and a wood rod in boxes like this. After finding the Orvis wood rod I always check out a listing with a box, unless they say
something about flies. Bruce |
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Posts: 755 05/07/2009 12:33 |
I used to own a orvis that was in a bamboo culm wrapped with twine top bottom and middle to stop cracking. Is that what you all are calling a wooden tube?
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Posts: 647 05/07/2009 12:57 |
tapermaker wrote:Hi Dennis - that Orvis wood tube was built from staves, like a wooden barrel. Very, very nice! I owned one a long time ago. The cap was wood with a brass threaded part attached to screw to the top of the tube. The tube was painted a sort of a tan or light brown color. Someone must have a picture of one of these - c'mon - let's see it! |
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Posts: 756 05/07/2009 13:11 |
the one i owned had an orvis logo on the side of the bamboo culm the rod was a nice 9' 3pc rod from the 1880~s
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Posts: 2136 05/07/2009 13:59 King of the Gnomes |
Bruce,
I remember that Orvis well and its case is a match for one that came to me with a McHarg wooden rod in it. Other than those it was form fit case's or Canvas bags ? Jeff |
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Posts: 1891 05/07/2009 15:46 |
The example at the top was picked up empty at an estate auction. Aside from the screw-on wooden cap it has tin reinforcing bands , one at each end and one in
the middle. Barring the brass threaded part of the cap, it seems to be the kind of hand made item you might have seen before 1900 but that's strictly a
guess. The lower tube has a simple slip-on brass cap that may or may not have had the leather retaining strap when new. It's from a Wheeler-made Acme
striper rod. That makes it sometime between the mid-1880's and the mid-1890's.
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Posts: 947 05/07/2009 17:37 |
The earliest rod tube patent I have been able to find was obtained by Charles Perry of Portland, Maine on 23 November, 1875. Two joined sections of wood, then
turned on a lathe and covered in canvas or rubber.
Patent # 170,188. Charlie The brook runs over the bones of the planet and carries the sky on its back…. Odell Shepard
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Posts: 759 05/07/2009 21:41 |
i went back through my notes to jog my memory. The bamboo case actually had hardy logo on it and was what the orvis rod came to me in. It was definitly very
old so i think we should look to hardy to see if this was one of the first tubes. the one i had had a sewn leather hood that fit tight to the sides , as well
as the tan windings at top, mid ,and bottom. Has anyone else seen a tube like this from Hardy. Dennis
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Posts: 767 05/07/2009 22:29 |
I don't have Waring's dates immediately at hand, but his rod #34 came in exactly the kind of fancy Murphy case Gnome's talking about. Two users as
widely separated as these two, using a case as sophisticated as this, would argue for a well-established case-making industry.
Kamp was using his own patented tube in the late 1880s
The more I think I know, the less I know I know.
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Posts: 654 05/08/2009 23:10 |
jeffkn1 wrote:Jeff, I believe that tube on top is the Orvis wood tube. Looks exactly like the one I had. Very nice! |
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Posts: 347 05/09/2009 17:53 |
This is the Murphy tube that the Gnome referenced above. The case is 49" long and from an unspliced solid "baseball bat" piece of wood. All
sections are 48" long. I commented one time about the technology needed to "drill" 48" long round holes for the sections. I was corrected
by a friend, who pointed out that gun-makers had been boring straight barrel holes much longer than that for many years. However, the 48" holes are also
lined with red velvet. Not many barrels are lined with cloth tubes? I have a conjecture about how that was done, but I'll spare you.
The Murphy rod sections have the "cup" marks in the cane discussed by AJ Campbell. My best estimate is mid-late 1860s. - Tom  
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Posts: 348 05/09/2009 18:04 |
I also have a Alonzo Fowler, Maker, Ithaca, NY rod. This one came in a unique case - the wood "tube" is straight-tapered; the section holes are
round-bored. The butt fits into a center-bored hole, the mid and two tips fit into round holes sandwiched between the wood case and the heavy canvas,
form-fitted bag that is glued around the case. This one is probably late 1870s. I'll try to add another picture tomorrow to show the top end of the case.
Interestingly, the canvas "bag" is stenciled in large black ink lettering, "C. B. Brown, Can. Nat. Rys. Montreal, Que.".
This was an incredibly poor design. I imagine that in the matter of a few days of fishing, you could methodically remove all wraps on the mids and tips. I don't use the case. -Tom 
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Posts: 399 05/09/2009 21:57 Sic transit piscatoria Clark's |
Tom,
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