I've cast original and clone dickerson's, paynes, heddons, grangers, orvis, powell's, howells, young's, leonard's, etc. I live in the far
west. I still prefer slower medium to medium rods. a corvett is fast, too. but, i wouldn't own one.
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cutthroattroutnm |
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Posts: 58 05/10/2009 09:52 |
It's good to know that there is one less person bidding against me for those Dickersons and one less person (me) bidding on those gummy Orvis and Leonard
rods for those who seek them.
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Posts: 3909 05/10/2009 10:34 Local user |
The range of actions I like are medium to the fast side of medium-fast. I don't like slow action rods where you can watch the grass grow nor do like fast
actions-too many breakoffs.
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Posts: 95 05/10/2009 22:48 |
I guess it depends on the type of fishing I am doing. If its early in the season in the Catskills its a slow action rod for swinging wet flies. I also like a
slow action rod for bass bugging and just fishing a pond for bluegills. For trout fishing its medium to medium fast for bigger flies more wind and bigger fish
and rivers out West.
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Flykuni2 wrote:No one enjoys fishing soft-hackles more than I but this grouse is at the taxadermist. Other than deer, I have never had an animal mounted. However, this was one of the largest (if not the largest) grouse I have ever taken and hardly a feather was ruffled by the shot. The grouse is to be mounted as if in flight - I'll suspend it from the ceiling in my office. |
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Posts: 1618 05/11/2009 14:05 |
Doublegun wrote: ...where you can rip out a few dozen S.H. feathers from the crown of the cape, totally "unbenoticed" (you read it right)................................. 
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Posts: 2663 05/11/2009 18:12 |
thegubster wrote: Yeah, and practice swinging with that sweet Parker 16 gauge! bobbyg Go Heels!!! |
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Posts: 3221 05/11/2009 19:06 |
Like many of you I own bamboo rods with actions ranging from slow to medium fast. I can and do adapt my casting to fish them all without much problem.
However, I prefer the medium to medium-fast rods, not just for their casting charatertistics, but for their ability to set the hook effectively under various situations as well. That said, variety is indeed the spice of life for many tackle addicts...I being one. Regards, Flyman 
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Posts: 62 05/13/2009 14:51 |
Yeah -- if it's suspended overhead, nobody knows the top feathers are missing............
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Posts: 109 05/14/2009 12:16 |
Great thread. Doublegun, thanks for the warning about bamboo being a gateway drug, but you're about 20 years too late. I only wish my Parker 16 looked as
nice as yours.
Here's my question -- does the dichotomy of "fast" vs. "slow" really get at the heart of what makes a sweet-casting taper? For me, it's more a question of "simple" vs. "compound." For me, the lights really came on last year when I cast my 8 1/2-foot Heddon for the first time. Though this is often described as a "medium-fast" taper, that's not what I notice about it. Rather, what I notice is that something different seems to be going on in the upper third of the rod that creates some sort of hinge that propels my loop and keeps it from wanting to collapse on itself, even when my casting stroke is somewhat lousy. And when my stroke is on, well . . . the rod makes me look great. I have a Goodwin 8642 that has more of a straightforward "fast" taper, and while I love it, it does not give me the same sense of different things going on in different parts of the rod. I know that to the taper-savvy, I am probably over-simplifying things, but this is how the rods feel to me. Finally, I'll second the observation that people tend to under-line classic rods. Market forces have a lot to do with this. The contemporary market says lighter is always better, so voila -- the 9050 magically gets listed for sale as a 5-weight instead of a 6. The buyer talks himself into it, and never looks back.
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Posts: 376 05/16/2009 13:26 |
I prefer a rod that is medium, to medium slow. For me that rod would be a Jenkins 8-ft 5 weight. The rod really does cast itself. It has a perfect, poetic
action. Old Leonard #50s and 8-ft Grangers are nice, too. Jenkins shorter rods, are, as they should be, a bit faster. A 7-ft rod, in my estimation, needs a bit
of a quicker action in order to cast as far as a longer rod.
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Posts: 13 05/16/2009 15:50 |
For casting I like progressive actions, although I can't seem to find a consensus on what that means.
For those who still use graphite on occasion, I'll include my favs there as well, just for comparison. I am one of those who thinks you can learn a lot from modern technology, even if you refuse to embrace its use. I like a rod that will load with just a few feet and the leader out of the tip top, but will flex deeper and deeper (predictably so) as more and more line is paid out. I like a rod that feels like an extension of my arm. I don't want to be thinking about loop control, I just want to place the fly where I think it should be. My Sage RPL 9' for a 4 wt does that for me perfectly. I consider the RPLs to be on the fast side of moderate while their LL series were more progressive. I like them even better but I got a super deal on the RPL. The Garrison 7'3" rod that my buddy sold me had a progressive action, even though it was a bit soft due to inproper tempering (it was only his second rod). Softness and slowness are not the same thing to me. An action is a flex profile, not an indication of how the rods feels and casts. Progressive is as progressive flexes. For fish playing and complicated presentations (i.e. multiple mends) I like slower action rods. Big fish seem to quit more readily when fought on a rod that flexes into the butt. My Scott G series 8'8" for a 5 wt. is ideal for these purposes. I can literally paint the line on the water with it. If I could find a taper for cane that fished as well as my Scott, I'd never carry plastic again. For small creeks I had a really sweet 7'6" IM6 G.Loomis that was as slow as many cane rods, but I ran over it when my kids unloaded the car for me and dropped the tube behing the rear wheels in the dark. It was almost as heart wrenching to lose that rod as it would be to trash a bamboo (well, not really) because they had stopped making them. Extremely slow rods are fun to cast, but I have to think about it too much. I had a sluggish 7' Orvis Madison some years ago that required all my attention to cast it well but brought a lunker to net sweet as can be. If I hooked as many big fish as some guys do I'd never have gotten rid of it. But I had a wonderful 7'6" Battenkill at the time as well, a Wes Jordan era rod. It had a little more pep than the Madison. I recently tried an Orvis 7' for 4 wt., the "Penn's Creek" model. It seemed a bit on the fast side, but not offensively so. I've never cast anything that's quite like it. I'd own it in a minute if I had an extra $2K lying around. When I finish my planing form, one of the first rods I want to build will be a short, fast one piece small stream rod. Not only will it be quick and cheap to build, it will suit me fine for some of the overgrown brook trout streams I like to fish. So, all in all, I guess I like slow actions. And medium actions. And even, sometimes, fast actions. It all depends. |
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