This is a little bit of apples and oranges, IMO. You can't just look at how many rods come to market. You have to look at how many rods a maker has
produced. All things being equal, I would expect to see a lot more rods on the secondary market from someone who has produced 1000 rods over 20 years than
from someone who has produced 30 rods a year for the past ten years. Most people love Bob Summers rods but there is enough of "a body of work" out
there that every so often one comes to market. And I would hazard a guess that you see more 856s for sale than other models because he's made more of them
than other models.
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Modern makers you never see on the secondary market.
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Posts: 570 05/11/2009 10:43 |
I agree with Spruce and Oneculm, but I think the initial poster indicated he was interested in rods from makers that did produce a lot of rods and
didn't show up on the secondary very often. He didn't put any specific numbers (e.g., makers that have only produced 400 or more rods so far), but
it's just a fun question, right? I hinted at the same thing in my post that you guys are insinuating, that makers with "big" names that
don't have a lot of rods out there (Spittler, Lacey Royals, etc.) are different than a Summers that has a ton of rods out there (just for example). Not
saying that guys that lack high production numbers can't make an amazing rod, it's just common statistical sense that they won't show up as often
as someone with many rods under their belt. There are makers that have made a lot of rods that just don't show up on the secondary that often.
Wouldn't that say something about those rods? I think so. If a rod is so special to you that you would never sell it, and that is a pattern with rods
from that certain maker, then I think that is testament to how good those rods are (at least to the people that own them).
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Posts: 548 05/11/2009 11:02 |
Chris I deleted my post after reading the original. You are correct that it was mentioned a fair number of rods produced and my comparisons did not fit that
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Posts: 572 05/11/2009 11:13 |
You were right though. It really is a tough question with no criteria being set, but I think the fellas point was that as fishermen we occational get a
great rod that we want to hang on to forever, maybe pass along to our kids or grandkids. Some of us sell rods as quick as they are purchased. It seems he was
interested in what makers have a following of fishermen that hang onto their rods once purchased. I don't think he meant for it to be a comparison of any
sort or to weed out the best of the best.
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Posts: 2661 05/11/2009 18:01 |
cwood wrote:You are correct cwood. I was lucky enough to find one, but you very rarely see them up for sale. bobbyg Go Heels!!! |
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Posts: 733 05/12/2009 01:13 |
The winner of the Carskills Rodmaker's challenge Marty Karstetter's amazing rods! He only builds about 10 rods a year.
Also caddisman3 is correct the Wojnicki Rods I sell are not secondary. They come direct from Mario's bench! |
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Posts: 1412 05/12/2009 03:23 |
well i must be a one lucky son of a gun , i picked up a dana gray and a mario wojnicki both on the secondary market in less then 6 months , not from dealers
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i think if you really want something bad enough it will come to you , i was lucky and the 2 forum members who handed them over to me to look after , they saved me alot of years waiting on lists and i'm forever thankfull to them ,
Richard
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Posts: 192 05/12/2009 06:31 |
WestSlope wrote:Is Marty Karsetter a full time rod builder??? If so how can we contact him. What rod builder you can compare him to, Carpenter, Payne, Bob Taylor, etc? |
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Posts: 688 05/12/2009 13:37 |
Marty Karstetter is retired, but not from rodmaking. He's active building rods, attending bamboo events and staying in contact with other bamboo rodmakers.
He lives in Montana, has built rods that are outstanding casters for years, but has mostly flown under the radar. I posted something about him about five years
ago that was met with little response, mostly skeptical. His winning a rodmakers competition one year and placing second(?) the following year has put him on a
few radar screens. He's a wonderful guy, modest and easy to work with. His rods are hollowbuilt into the tips and more like those of Per Brandin and Jim
Reams than those of the eastern makers you refer to. He's also willing to experiment and try new things - one reason he's been successful meeting the
changing requirements of the rodmakers competition. His rods are finished in a clean, elegant style similar to those of Jim Reams and Per Brandin, both friends
of his. Of course one reason his rods don't show up in the secondary market is that there aren't all that many to begin with, but I don't plan to
sell mine. Marty can be reached at (406) 821-4168.
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Posts: 728 05/12/2009 15:08 |
16 pmd is right on as usual. Here are a couple photos of Karstetter rods. They don't show much detail and are not of the best quality but will give a
general idea of appearence. I've posted these photos in the past but have recently seen people requesting to see what Marty's rods look like.
In this photo Karstetter rods are top and 3rd from top. 
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Posts: 904 05/12/2009 16:02 |
never seen a Jack Howell rod anywhere. not even pics or a description and that of a maker that is mentioned in Colorado cane as having made if I remember
correctly more than 800 rods...
more votes to Dana Gray. Wagners are rare as are Wojos, Bradfords and Hidys. I guess all these makers have made quite a few rods so it is amazing you dont see them more often. Cattanach: I often thought about this guy. Never seen one of his rods too for sale anywhere. |
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Posts: 564 05/12/2009 20:24 |
WOW!i never would have guessed Jack Howell made that many rods,never ever have i seen one of his rods for sale[not even on a dealers list] Now i am curious
what the wait time on one of Dana Grays rods also I have heard of a fellow named George Boehme who makes quads that are suppose to be pretty sweet any info on
this guy.
Karl
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Posts: 2667 05/12/2009 20:54 |
maruoff wrote:I don't believe Jack Howell made anywhere near 800 rods, and I don't recall him mentioned in Colorado Classic Cane. You are correct in that you never see his rods for sale on the secondary market! Maybe cutthroattroutbum will chime in here, as I know he owns at least two of Mr. Howell's great rods. Hope he doesn't mind, but here's a pic of one of his Howell rods. In my opinion, it's easy to see why his rods are never put up for sale! 
Bob Go Heels!!!
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Posts: 2209 05/12/2009 21:18 |
bobbeegee wrote:Same here, doubtful that Jack Howell has made 800 and I don't recall the reference....????
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Posts: 3916 05/12/2009 21:49 Local user |
Although no longer(1990) making rods but if you want rare it's Mike Montagne Quads. I've only seen a total of 4 or 5 on Yabe, Langs(Schweibert's
personal rod) and Jim Adams(catalog) in the last 10 years.
Dennis 
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Posts: 2112 05/12/2009 23:16 Bamboo preacher |
I suspect the intended 800 rods reference was to Gary Howells rather than Jack Howell.
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Posts: 906 05/14/2009 07:29 |
hmmm, I have to see where I got the numbers from. All I remember is that I was very amazed about a maker who has made so many rods yet you never see them on
the market. Maybe I got the name wrong? It is a maker in the Oregon bamboo book. Pretty sure about that...I am very bad remembering names so will have to look
that up...
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perhaps. You would be correct in that you never see his rods for sale on the secondary market.
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Posts: 910 05/20/2009 04:22 |
I think it was Bruce Howell I was referring to. Is he mentioned in Colorado Cane. Still didnt have the time to look it up in Colorado Cane...
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Posts: 230 05/20/2009 11:42 |
Kyle Druey - he stopped making his quads and hex's a few years ago - I've only seen 2 for sale in the last 5 years - I bought one and wouldn't sell
it. I've spoken with a few people who own them and they are of the same mind.
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