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Could anyone offer comparisons of R.K. Bolt's and Jim Hidy's rods--performance, quality, etc.? Are there particular models by either maker that stand
out? You can respond here or email me at koethe@uwm.edu.
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ibookje |
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RK Bolt makes rod that are copies or very similar to Gary Howells' rods.
Don't know which tapers Hidy's rods are but I've never heard that Hidy rods are similar to Howells' tapers. So my guess is that comparing Bolt to Howells is what we say in dutch: comparing apples to pears. In English that would be apples and oranges Jay
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seattlesetters |
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In general (very general), Hidy's hollowed tapers are of a faster, "Western" action than Bolt's, which are indeed similar or identical to
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It's my understanding Hidy apprenticed under Wojnicki which is a plus before going out on his own a number of years ago.
Dennis
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firehole |
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Another little tidbit Wojnicki also shared rod shop space with Per Brandin in El Cerrito, California before Per went east.
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seattlesetters |
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A student of famed builder Mario Wojnicki, Jim Hidy's rods are a little atypical of the "Western" genre. While he does build stronger models, the rods most often associated with his name are his long, light, delicate rods which are also famous for their refined appearance. While every builder develops his own cosmetic style, the San Francisco-based Hidy's rods are particularly clean and elegant, which may account for his appeal to Japanese buyers, who account for a sizable chunk of his output. Many aficionados have sworn that someday they will own his 8' 3wt, no matter what the cost. Wojnicki's influence on Hidy's work is apparent. R.K. Bolt built rods in San Francisco for many years before he purchased the late Gary
Howells' rod building equipment. Howells was a craftsman closely associated with Winston when Winston was still located in San Francisco. Bolt's rods
are similar to Howell's in that they're hollow built and feature a very relaxed, medium action that wins raves from advanced casters. Bolt's
catalog offers long steelhead rods, but he admits that he rarely sells rods longer than 8.5'. Bolt's tapers are somewhat more relaxed than those sold
by other Western makers, yet they are still popular due to their light weight and excellent craftsmanship. Walking in Gary Howells' footsteps can hardly be
easy...he was noted for his mind-bending attention to detail...yet Bolt is building rods that make him a worthy successor to the Howells legacy.
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bob2935 |
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I have cast several Hidy's and own five Robert Bolt rods. For the money it would be a no brainer for me. Bolt all the way. Robert's rods are at least
700.00 less than Hidy's. Robert Bolt's cosmetics are perfect. Robert is by nature a perfectionist and aims to please all of his customers. As a past
owner of three Howell's rods I have to say that he has taken it a higher level in terms of rod action. As much as I loved Gary's workmanship I have to
say that some of his tapers especially in his lighter line rods were too soft for me and I love the mushy slow Leonard's. Seems that Gary took it to a even
more delicate level. Great to look at but not a pleasure to fish for me. You have to ask yourself why there are so many mint Howell's rods out there. I
suspect that many people felt the same way. I have never seen so many mint or lawn cast only rods from the other big name builders. That being said I still
love Howell's workmanship but Robert has made all the tapers a hair stronger which makes the rods great casting and fishing rods. The changes are very
subtle. He took all those great ideas from Gary and made it better. His current price makes him the best deal in hollow built cane rods. It is my
understanding that there will be a price increase in 2008. Picked up a 8' for a four weight and it is just a remarkable spring creek taper. I had the
Howell's version but this rod casts so much better. This is coarse is just my opinion and as we all know this stuff is totally subjective.
Bohemian Bob
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Thanks for the insight Bob. Quite interesting info.
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Bohemian Bob,
Thanks to you and everyone for the information. The Bolt 8' 4wt sounds very nice. Do you (or anyone else) also have experience with his 7'3" 3wt? Two very different rods of course, but any comparisons, advice, etc. would be appreciated. John |
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seattlesetters |
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I'd also be interested in hearing comparisons between both of his 8'6" 5wt rods.
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bob2935 |
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I picked up the Bolt 7'3" for a three and it is a great rod. It is a true three weight and cannot image casting it with a four weight line. It is
slow and delicate with super fine tips like Gary's taper. Definitely not a good rod in any type of wind. A friend had a Howell's in the same taper and
he feels that it is identical with no additional stiffness. Years ago Gary sent me a great letter describing that particular rod and ever since I have wanted
one. For me it is a spring creek midge rod that would not cast well with anything bigger than a size #16. Great rod. Comparing the 8' four Bolt and the
7'3" three is easy. They are like night and day. The 7'3" is more of a speciality rod that is best used for midging trout. The 8' four is
more versitile in that I use large and small flies with no problem because the taper is so much stronger. It has a great deal of power for a eight foot four
weight. I love both rods but the 8' four is a rod that I will fish more because the taper is so much stronger. The eight foot four is a great all around
tapers. I fish standard size dries and nymphs along with the tiny flies. The 7'3" is more geared for spring creek midging. The taper is too delicate
and slow to consider using the tiny split shoot for nymphing. It excells with dry flies smaller than #16 and unweighted midge pupa.
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06/15/2011? Where DOES the time go?
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I'll second Bobs opinion with my limited experience with Bolt rods. The ones I have seen (7ft3" #3 and a 8ft #5) are extremely nice rods for the
money. Really one of the best deals out there I know if you like somewhat more medium tapers. The hollowbuilding is a bonus too. Mr. Bolt has kept his price
for many years now (that alone earns our applause) and has, from what I hear, improved on the cosmetics of his rods. The ones I have seen were certainly right
up there with the best.
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I have a Howells 733-2 and it is a very different beast from the Hidy. Everything that has been said about the Howells so far is spot on. I'll add that
while I can't feel it under the cork, the rod loads well into the butt (and quickly!) on all but the very shortest casts. But without a thick middle or
beefy tip, Gary made a rod that responds with a near uniform, progressive bend form when under load of a fish. This is a rod where the whole thing works with
anything more than the leader out the tiptop. Super sensitive, feel everything, full-flex, rod that could no doubt protect 10x tippet. It can actually
generate pretty high line speed at moderate distances, but it excels at "unrolling" a line from 10 to 30 feet with almost no effort. I've fished
it on tumbling freestones and while capable, I found it a little too lazy and imprecise for my tastes in that environment, though it does roll cast very well
from 5 to 20ft. The biggest liability for its intended purpose in my view is that I find it difficult to throw a lot of line--and midging trout seem always to
be just "that" much farther away than where my fly lands. On the lawn, I can cleanly coax 45-50ft out of it, but on water, quite about 10ft less,
especially if water is over the knee...just a little soft and short for aerializing much line. IMO, it sucks with a 4wt and doesn't load right with a 2wt.
It is one of the few rods I have cast that seemed truly limited to a single line weight. Viewed another way, one of the few rods that casts a line exactly as
intended. Fun and very specialized. Haven't tried Bolt's version, but I have heard it is just a hair faster...a hair. My rod has the red band of
wraps at the cork, but I don't think the 733-2 is a hollowbuilt.
As for Hidy, I'll be getting to play with an 804-3 Hidy pretty soon and may be able to add more, but here's what I know based on my 733-3 and conversations with several other owners: SPRINGY. There's just not really a better word of which I can think to describe my rod. As has been mentioned, although Jim makes longer and stronger rods, he appears to excel at and be best known for his light line rods from 6 to 8 feet for 2-4wt. This rod has an extra ferrule on the Howells and might feel slower but doesn't. In fact, just the opposite. While full flexing, this rod has bounce--in a good way. I can cast a very long line with a Cortland Clear Creek 3wt and it shoots line pretty well, too. More precise than the Howells, more point and shoot, but not like a 7' 4wt swelled butt dry fly rod. Not as delicate a line as the Howells, but just as sensitive. A little more beef in the butt section, but neither rod is swelled. Tippier feeling, but the rod is working along the entire shaft. It feels very ALIVE with fast recovery and responsiveness and it just has this SPRINGY feeling to it that is hard to describe. Perhaps its the hollowbuilding, or taper, or both. Equally good, but different beasts. "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time" ~ Bertrand Russell
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bob2935 |
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Since this thread has started I have had the opportunity to cast two more Hidy's, a 7'6" for a four and a 8' for a five and both were smooth
casting slower tapers which is what I really like. Both were med slow tapers like Robert Bolt's but had their own distinct feel. The cosmetics were very
nice and would not hesitate to add Hidy to my collection.
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cdmoore |
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Now this is a FUN rod. Sensitive, flexible, hugely capable of changing tempo on demand. A great rod for small streams without lots of overhanging trees where
you need some length for high sticking or line mending. Small fish are not dull! A great rod, too, for general light line trout fishing on medium sized
waters and fish. Great looking, too.
C
"If you finish in 7 days, I'll pay you for 10. If you finish in 10 days, I'll pay you for 7." ~Ballykissangel
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Boo.fiberglassflyro... |
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In the past year I've been able to cast the Bolt 8'/4wt an the 8'/5wt 3 7/8oz rods. Both are very sweet. The 5wt does seem to have a little extra
'umph' when needed. I think R.Bolt make one of the nicest looking rods! His wrapped ferrules with his color tones are the nicest ferrules I've ever
seen. One thing I wish he would do is add the rod line weight to the shaft of the rod. Why doesn't he? Is it because Howell didn't put the line wt on
the rod? It would be fine with me if Bolt broke a bit away from Howell's ghost.
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paxlev |
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For what it's worth, the RK Bolt rods I have owned were medium to a shade medium fast and were a little tippy in their action. Cosmetics very similar to Howells/Winston. RK builds an impeccable rod, but the action wasn't to my liking. My first Hidy rod is a more blonde rendition of a Brandin rod. Very clean cosmetics. The rod, a 7'9" 3/2 4 wt, is a medium to medium slow, and flexes well into the grip. Kind of cool to feel the bamboo flexing that deep in the rod. I only recall a few rods that felt like this. This rod is truly one that if you slow down on the back and forward cast, you can feel the rod lever as you make the cast. Anyway, the action of this rod is nothing like RK's which load, as suggested, more in the tip and, from my recollection, are not that deep flexing. Ric |
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