Any Granger & W&M DeLuxe 7030's out there?

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SWMTfisher		#21	[url]	[-]
Posts: 38 03/09/2009 22:21	Flyman, would you go as far as to say that it is your opinion (after owning hundreds of Grangers) that all Granger Aristocrats were originally wrapped in the exact same color of Rice's Beige/Tan silk thread and that these variations in color (described by people in all kinds of different ways) from one Aristocrat to another are likely due to aging of varnish, exposure to light, oxidation, chemical reaction, etc? Or, do you believe it is possible that there may have been a period in which a variation in thread colors or manufacture was used? I also own a GG Special 8040 with gold colored thread; Not green. This may also be due to varnish influence however I'm not certain. I'm tempted to remove one of the wraps on my rod to see what is underneath but am still not confident in being able to reproduce it I agree that varnish changes colors but am having a hard time with the Aristocrat. Last Edited By: SWMTfisher 03/09/2009 23:03. Edited 1 time.
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Flyman615		#22	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3120 03/10/2009 21:24	Hi SWMTfisher: Sure, anything is possible including the use of thread by Granger from various manufacturers over the years. But yes, I think the effects of varnish, environment and time are more likely to cause the color changes noted. It's just my opinion, though. And besides, thread dye lots alone can vary from the same manufacturer, not to mention, perhaps, changes in the varnish used. In any case, I don't think these minor anomalies make a rod necessarily more desirable or rare. Again, just my opinion. I have many Aristocrats in my collection, and I think they exhibit similar thread color variations. With all due respect to Scott W., that's just never excited me very much. As to the Specials...yes indeed, there was both "Granger green" and yellow/gold thread used at various times over the years. (This argument was pretty much settled a few years ago here on the Forum.) And you're right, the way to see what the original thread really looked like is to remove a wrap and see what's underneath. Granted. this is not always a practical alternative. If you like the thread color on your Aristocrat, GREAT! And I'll be sure to add "cinnamon" to the color descriptions I've heard over the past 33 years or so, for the beautiful Aristocrat wraps. BTW, I wrote that I've looked at (examined) or owned hundreds of Grangers. Currently I only own 70. Finally, the Aristocrat has indeed always been my personal favorite Granger grade. Sorry, Dennis. No intent to hijack the thread. Regards, Flyman Last Edited By: Flyman615 03/10/2009 21:44. Edited 2 times.
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PaducahMichael		#23	[url]	[-]
Posts: 631 05/04/2009 21:58	firehole wrote: Thanks Guys for the response and pics of these rare and beautiful rods. In "Colorado Classic Cane" the 1941 catalog where the 7' 2/2's are introduced(Aristocrat) shows no Deluxe 7' 2/2 but does show up in the W&M 1947 catalog. Any idea when the GC Deluxe 7' 2/2 began? The earlier reel seat on Scott's GC raises another question. Did they build Deluxe 7' 2/2 in the early to mid-30's prior to the 1938 Patent reel seat? According to 1941 catalog all Deluxe's had the 1938 Pat. Granger are so interesting since my anomaly is Wright & McGill is stamped on the 1938 Pat. reel seat but on the butt it's only marked Granger Deluxe. Regards, Dennis Hi Dennis, The 1941 catalog DOES list the 2 piece rods: Aristocrat, DeLuxe and Registered grades. Look at the lower left of page 45 in CCC. That's page 6 of the 1941 GG catalog. The New Divine Rods
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PaducahMichael		#24	[url]	[-]
Posts: 632 05/04/2009 22:01	firehole wrote: Scott, Your right on the 1941 catalog shows they were fitted with the sliding band reel seat. You never know there might be a Registered with a sliding band but I doubt it too. Great find!!! I'm thinking my rod was accidently not marked by the factory or it was built about the same time W&M was just acquiring Goodwin. The factory did make mistakes since I've owned two W&M's where W&M wasn't marked on the butt plus my Chromium reel seat on my Registered 8040 wasn't even marked. The fun of collecting. Never say never. Dennis Now, if Michael Sinclaire ever updates "Colorado Classic Cane" he'll have to unravel when the GC7030 came on board. Dennis, GC = Granger Champion. Wasn't made in a two piece. The New Divine Rods
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Marty		#25	[url]	[-]
Posts: 147 05/05/2009 07:48	Sorry mine is a victory not a deluxe. But IMHO the 7030 is one of the all time great tapers. I love that rod more than almost any other I own. I frequently use it when another longer heavier rod might let me fish the bigger flies further away might be the proper choice. It dances in my hand and has far more reserve than many 7 footers I have owned. Tube and label remain perfect as I carry it to the stream in a new bag and tube (I destroyed one fiber tube that was perfect and won't do that to another) Consensus among my friends is that she was likely only fished once or twice pre me. This is a taper that I am always on the lookout for. Sooner or later I will stumble on one of the higher grade rods and snap it up. I am pretty sure Grangeritis is an uncurable but fairly benign condition. Thanks for sharing the pics of those deluxes!! There is an understated fanciness to the wraps that I love. But to be honest.... There is something appealing about all of the grades for me......I own the most specials and love that green.... but from victory to registered they are amazing functional works of art.
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tapermaker	ARISTOCRAT	#26	[url]	[-]
Posts: 750 05/05/2009 11:21	another comment on thread variation on the aristocrat.hopefully i will be forgiven also for variation from the thread. I have one of the original 900yrd spools but have found it to be too dark for most restorations. what i have found that matches perfectly on most aristocrats is YLI # 100.once color preserver and new varnish is applied it matches. just a little tidbit for future restorers.
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firehole		#27	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3899 05/05/2009 23:03 Local user	Michael, Thanks for the info. I meant to write GG instead of GC. Dennis
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PaducahMichael		#28	[url]	[-]
Posts: 635 05/05/2009 23:21	firehole wrote: Michael, Thanks for the info. I meant to write GG instead of GC. Dennis Gotcha! Just pullin' your chain. The New Divine Rods
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firehole		#29	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3900 05/05/2009 23:35 Local user	Michael, It doesn't matter I'm used to it. Looking forward to your new " Colorado Classic Cane " book. My book is starting to look pretty scruffy. Dennis
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PaducahMichael		#30	[url]	[-]
Posts: 664 05/09/2009 23:17	PaducahMichael wrote: firehole wrote: Thanks Guys for the response and pics of these rare and beautiful rods. In "Colorado Classic Cane" the 1941 catalog where the 7' 2/2's are introduced(Aristocrat) shows no Deluxe 7' 2/2 but does show up in the W&M 1947 catalog. Any idea when the GC Deluxe 7' 2/2 began? The earlier reel seat on Scott's GC raises another question. Did they build Deluxe 7' 2/2 in the early to mid-30's prior to the 1938 Patent reel seat? According to 1941 catalog all Deluxe's had the 1938 Pat. Granger are so interesting since my anomaly is Wright & McGill is stamped on the 1938 Pat. reel seat but on the butt it's only marked Granger Deluxe. Regards, Dennis Hi Dennis, The 1941 catalog DOES list the 2 piece rods: Aristocrat, DeLuxe and Registered grades. Look at the lower left of page 45 in CCC. That's page 6 of the 1941 GG catalog. OK, Guys - I've been studying again and getting familiar with the time lines and such and here's a flash for you: The Granger Registered AND the Granger Two-Piece rods were introduced in the 1939 catalog. I'm sitting here looking at it. ( and wishing I could buy that 2 piece Registered for $75, or the DeLuxe at $37.50 - or even the Aristocrat at $22.50. Heck, at that price, send me a dozen... of each.) Oh - and don't look for the 1939 catalog in CCC. It's not in there. Neither is the 1923/24 or the 1927/28 (color) catalog. You'll have to wait for Colorado Rodmakers of the Past & Present to see those. The New Divine Rods Last Edited By: PaducahMichael 05/11/2009 16:55. Edited 5 times.
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WatercolorMan		#31	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1397 05/10/2009 03:59	Michael, How long will we have to wait ? Alan
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PaducahMichael		#32	[url]	[-]
Posts: 675 05/11/2009 16:54	KJ version; Luke 21:19 The New Divine Rods
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Southbranch		#33	[url]	[-]
Posts: 416 05/15/2009 00:01	Returning to the original topic of this thread, I can now post photos of my DeLuxe. It was restored some years ago by Don Schroeder. It had been run over and restored at least once before it came to him. The sliding band reel seet was badly dented and the inscription gone. He was able to identify it as a DeLuxe by the pattern of ghost wraps. The rod is a fast 4 wt or a medium fast 5 wt. I lightly sanded the grip with 600 grit to get rid of grime and some ridges.
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firehole		#34	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3921 05/15/2009 00:46 Local user	Southbranch, Pretty rod and a fine restoration by Don. How do like the way it cast? Thanks for the post. Dennis
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Southbranch		#35	[url]	[-]
Posts: 417 05/15/2009 08:01	I've only lawn cast it so far, but it is a fast, tip-flex rod that can throw DT 5 line with ease. From what I'd read, I expected it to be a full-flexing 4 wt.
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slate river		#36	[url]	[-]
Posts: 99 05/15/2009 10:24	Southbranch, Thanks for the photos. Its a beautiful rod. Enjoy it on those spring creeks in the Driftless Area. I love Grangers and the 7030 is a great little rod. Bob
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oldschoolcane	Granger ferrule's	#37	[url]	[-]
Posts: 213 05/30/2009 12:41	I am considering building a 7030, can anyone tell me what size ferrule it requires? Any suggestions on what type of new ferrule should be used to be as close to the original as possible? Thanks. Tim
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Flyman615	7030 ferrule	#38	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3247 05/30/2009 13:38	7030's use a 12/64 ferrule. Granger (and Phillpson) ferrules were drawn and non-serrated. You might want to contact John Pickard. He's been selling a number of unused Granger-style ferrules on the unnamed internet auction site which he obtained when he purchased the rod shop of Jim Schaaf. Finally you could use the male tip ferrules and female mid ferrule off a Granger 9050. They are pretty common and use the same #12 size. Regards, Scott Last Edited By: Flyman615 05/30/2009 15:35. Edited 1 time.
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SnooKen		#39	[url]	[-]
Posts: 867 05/30/2009 13:50	You might consider having on of the guys here mill you a set of replicas. If Mistakes are the Wellspring of Wisdom how come I ain't Solomon?
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