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 RJD32 |
Want to start making reels |
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Posts: 11 06/06/2009 23:13 |
I would like to start making reels, and was certainly inspired by mhackney's post about his first attempt. Where would you suggest to begin? There
doesn't seem to be any books or web based step by step tutorials available. I have a 7 x 12, drill press, etc., but just need seem guidance on how to
start the process.
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Posts: 65 06/07/2009 03:28 |
Its a fun hobby...........do you have access to any sort of CAD system?
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Posts: 12 06/07/2009 10:30 |
I don't have access to a CAD system.
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Posts: 92 06/07/2009 12:52 |
Start very simple, You will definatley need to have a lathe.
Let me know if you have any ?'s. I would be glad to help. Good Luck!!! |
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Posts: 17 06/07/2009 15:10 |
Holireels wrote: I'm in the same position, although it was Kermit that inspired me. 2D or 3D cad? I am currently looking for a low cost (preferably free) CAD for my new computer. The old one failed and Vista is a real shock after years of UNIX and Linux. It took days to get most of the "protect people from themselves" features turned off. Are there drawings of reasonably simple reels available? I'm thinking about replicating a cheep Chinese reel to start with, then use the skills to embark on more complicated designs... but drawings of a doable first reel would save a lot of "oh crap, I didn't think of that" moments. Larry |
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Holireels |
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Posts: 66 06/07/2009 21:07 |
Check out this site: http://www.freebyte.com/cad/cad.htm#2D3DCADSystems : This site features free Engineering CAD programs. Some have features disabled, so if you choose one, make sure the save function is not disabled. Alibre is probably the best of the bunch. Your idea about making a simple reel first is a good idea. Making a Pleuger type reel, with a click-pawl drag would be a good challenge. Have fun! Holireels |
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Posts: 18 06/08/2009 02:20 |
Holireels wrote: Thanks for the link. I was looking at another list site when I got it, but yours is way better. I ended up getting DoubleCad by IMSI. It isn't crippled and the plus is that it's a clone of AutoCad LT. We'll see. Free is often not so free after all. Larry |
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Posts: 10 06/08/2009 22:31 |
RJD32 and everyone, I would encourage you to build a very simple reel similar to mine first. It does not require a CAD program or fancy tools. If you have a
drill press and a metal lathe (even a Sherline) you can easily build one and work through the process. Once you have this first reel under your belt, the idea
floodgate will be opened and you will have a platform that you can use to modify. I have every intent of writing an in-depth tutorial on how to build these
reels. One reader of my blog asked if I could get hims started, so over the weekend I created the first 2 parts of a series that will walk him (or anyone)
through the process. If you are interested in being on my email list - which will take a couple of weeks - and are will ing to follow along and give me
feedback on the clarity of instructions, I would be happy to help you along! Send me a PM with your email address and a short intro on your metalworking
experience and tools you have. Cheers, Michael
My fly fishing, rod building, fly tying and reel building blog: EclecticGuy
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Posts: 110 06/09/2009 01:04 |
Flyman....If you want to replicate a cheep china reel, I have just what you need, (let me know). I used this reel as a guide to set up my milling machines rotary table. You can use the spool as a guide for checking your progress on hole spacing in setting up the dividing plates etc. The side plate material I sent to you will work just fine. The reel housing is the biggest thing to machine. I'm sure someone here will be able to get you on to some 6061-T6, 3 + inch aluminum round stock to whittle on............Later, KERMIT |
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flyman.flyfishingarkan... |
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Posts: 19 06/09/2009 22:35 |
I was thinking of using aluminum tube for the frame, unless I did it out of flat stock like the hand built one was. I have a little BF-600 that is mostly flat stock and a Freedom 'Fly 300' that I was using as tensioners/cranks on my binder before I rebuilt it to a modified Garrison style. The Freedom has a nice one way clutch and some hard to machine drag parts and cost me less than a roller clutch. Yours looks like the ones that a certain Chinese fellow is selling on an auction site (I hear we can't say the name here). It looks like the hardest part to make would be the foot... of course the clicker spring would have to be modified. I've made some strange spings for guns in the past, but that is beyond me. First I need to finish some bamboo rods. Too many projects at one time means nothing gets finished. Larry Lohkamp |
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Posts: 1415 06/13/2009 01:36 |
I use autocad in my business. One thing to watch out for is that vista doesn't run the older autocad programs. You need a 2008 or newer version of the
software for vista.
Keep in mind most of the older programs will need an older operating system, like xp pro. lots of RAM is good for running these programs.
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richard kell handmade reels |
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Posts: 14 06/14/2009 06:22 |
Get to your scrap yard, buy off cuts and practice and practice. Forget CAD - pen and paper and minds eye visualisation are what designs and makes a reel. Get
some lengths of say HSS and old cutting tools from scrap yards and again work at it, tool angles, clearance ie what cuts clean and minimises chatter. UK
'Model Engineer' handbooks from years ago are a good primer. ie the 'Amateurs Lathe' L.H.Sparey, also 'In the Workshop' by Ian Bradley.
I hate and detest the modern CAD style drawings in hobby tech magazines, gave up reading anything like that in 1980. Learn to turn to size, to split a thou, to
see for concentricity, plan your steps.
Actually, its probably possible to make a reel of sorts without a lathe, craftsmen in the Middle East and India could. I'm thinking flanged brass plate for drum sides, built up frame, ie plate and pillars. Its possible to turn on the drilling machine, screws made thus are easy, stock is fed into a hardened and tempered cutting block a'la old time gunsmiths trick. The only bit I see a difficulty in my minds eye is the central core of the drum, tho drilled and reamed plate light press fit onto a suitable thick wall tube then silver soldered provides a core for the two hammer formed drum flanges. Secure the spindle with loctite into a silver soldered or rivetted block to rid need of more turning. Bloody hell .... we've nearly made one! Get a good strong and heavy bench, learn to use hand files well. Buy as little new as possible. Good luck.
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Posts: 1425 06/14/2009 08:09 Admin |
WatercolorMan wrote:Not quite true. I have AutoCad 2002 running on my home computer, my work laptop and the one I use at work. All are Vista machines, Service Pack 1. Work computer has 4 GB ram, home computer has 2 GB ram, laptop has 2GB ram. AutoCad 2002 works just fine on all three machines. Mark
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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richard kell handmade reels |
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Posts: 19 07/19/2009 05:32 |
I don't know whether to laugh or cry with this obsession with cad.
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Posts: 1440 07/19/2009 08:41 Admin |
richard kell handmade reels wrote:It's just a tool. Way back when I learned my drafting, I used ink and vellum. It sure is a whole lot easier to make changes in a working or part drawing with a few clicks of a mouse though, rather than trying to erase an ink line off the vellum I don't know whether to laugh or cry with this obsession with computers and the Internet and places like this bulletin board... After all, there is always the postal service. Mark
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Posts: 104 07/19/2009 17:22 |
Guess I might be dating myself...pencil, paper and a good eraser is all I know about in reel plans.... .. what is a CAD and how does one use it for reelmaking?
Is it a design computer program that then can be transfered to a CNC machine? I don't know much about CNC either....pretty sure both these things
started quite awhile after I started messing with fishing reels...
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Posts: 1441 07/20/2009 09:09 Admin |
reelmaker wrote:CAD stands for Computer Aided Design. Instead of vellum and a t-square, you have a computer screen and a mouse or a pad. There are CAM (Computer Aided Manufacturing) programs that take the drawing (.dwg, .dxf and other kinds of CAD files) and turn them into G Code files, which are read by the CNC software and translated into machine movement. CNC has been around for around for a while. The first NC (numerical control) machines were developed in the 1940's and 1950's using punch tapes. As computers became smaller and more powerful, the punch tape became the computer file. You been making reels since the 40's? ;-) Mark
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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richard kell handmade reels |
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Posts: 20 07/28/2009 05:33 |
I am baffled with this obsession with cnc .... what the hell ..... one man in his garage or garden hut with a lathe, bench and files .... where the flip can
cnc enter this scenario...... unless they are made 'buckshee' at the workplace. As you say reelmaker, its pen, paper, lathe, tools, to me the apex is
getting the tools to cut right. Thats where the experience and ability come into play.
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Posts: 1443 07/28/2009 09:46 Admin |
At it's most basic, CNC is just another way to control the machine. It's still takes the person to make the drawing, convert it to code and then to
run the machine with the code. Not necessarily better or worse, just a different way of doing things. One can use CNC to bridge the gap between bench made,
and cheap, mass-produced stuff in a small shop, making classic style reels affordable to folks who may not be able to cough up the cash for hand/bench-made
reels. You can get high or low quality out of the CNC machine, depending on the condition of the machine, tolerance built into the G Code, and a number of
other factors, the same as you can get good product or bad from a manual machine and the machinist. A great manual lathe or mill in the hands of a lousy
machinist will turn out lousy product, conversely, a lousy mill or lathe in the hands of a good/great machinist can turn out quality product.
It all depends on the person behind the controls. Mark
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Posts: 3164 07/28/2009 13:17 |
Autocad and CNC are to reel making as Garrison stress curves are to rod making?
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Posts: 95 07/28/2009 19:13 |
I don't think you can make an affordable reel by hand, it takes way too many hours even my reels at $850.00 take close to 40 hours to make.
If I had them made on CNC machines the price would be closer to $300.00. Having a hand made reel is kind of like haveing an original painting-----each one is a one of a kind. |
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