anecdotal evidence that bamboo rod collecting/use is generational

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DrakeBob		#41	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1362 06/12/2009 14:27 Formerly Drake	Thanks, Jeff. I understand now and we're probably a lot closer on most of what you've said than either of us thought. Your criterion for your collection... No collection of mine will be based on the fact that somebody 'did something well'. Did they contribute anything to the advancement of rod building? is an excellent one and perhaps even one to aspire to. I might stumble a bit on what is truly an "advancement," e.g., did Jim Payne advance rod building or take something his father did and just do it differently and better? I guess we can split hairs all day long, but, hey, that's what we get paid for around here. Bob Piscator Non Solum Piscatur Last Edited By: DrakeBob 06/12/2009 14:38. Edited 1 time.
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Whitefish Press		#42	[url]	[-]
Posts: 474 06/12/2009 14:31 Sic transit piscatoria Clark's	jeffkn1 wrote: IMHO, there is a historical component or basis for collecting but history is a hard sell to younger people; history is static, youth is dynamic and the two have always seemed to me to be diametrically opposed. As someone who has been teaching college "youth" about history for 15 years (since I was 25), I think I can speak from a bit of experience here. I've had many students who have now matriculated, gone on to graduate school, gotten jobs, married, and are raising families. At what point do they cease being youth? By the way, History Majors are one of the most popular degree programs at just about every university, so even some kids respect and understand it. The standard approach by literally every generation in American history is that the "youth" are insane, don't understand or respect history, and will basically wreck the world. Jazz age flappers and dandies went on an epic freak out over their rock-and-roll kids, who basically sought to do the same thing they did when they were young. The nice part about youth is that it is fleeting, and eventually most will grow up. When they do, they often develop a healthy respect for history. Some grow up in their 20s, others in their 40s, a few will never grow up. The point is few don't mature at some point in their lives. What does this all have to do with bamboo rods? Maybe nothing. I don't disagree with too much of Jeff's assessment, but I will go on record as saying collecting is in the eye of the beholder. What is junk to someone may be treasure to others. A Dickerson collector might look down his nose at an H&I collector, but it is up to each and everyone of us to decide what and how we want to collect. Some of the happiest collectors I know accumulate the most modest rods, while a few of the most disheartening bastards I've had the misfortune to know chase the highest end rods available. Fortunately none of them congregate here. -- Dr. Todd
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cwood		#43	[url]	[-]
Posts: 609 06/12/2009 16:05	Don't leave us anytime soon, Bill. I've enjoyed your posts for quite a while now and glad to see your're back in action. That was supposed to be my attempt at humor...... was never known as a funny guy. What happened to that post anyway? I don't think it was offensive to anyone, was it? That one statement was the only thing in the post that may have been taken badly, and I've said much worse with no complaints. I even added a little smile face to show it was all in good fun. Oh well. CWood
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BlackHillsBill		#44	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2814 06/12/2009 16:27	Beats me. Once I saw it. Now I don''t. However, such magic hereabouts is not entirely unprecedented. I hate to think I bring it on anyone but myself. The power of abracadabra has to be a staggering responsiblity. (Hey! I just punched one key and now we're both afloat drifting like arcane ephemera in cyberspace. Bygones, okay, CWood?) Thanks. One remarkable son of a gun, this thread, huh? Last Edited By: BlackHillsBill 06/12/2009 17:38. Edited 1 time.
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pcg		#45	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2944 06/12/2009 16:54 Admin	"One remarkable son of a gun, this thread, huh?" Truly. Thanks to Chartist for getting the energy going.
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ARTHURK		#46	[url]	[-]
Posts: 225 06/12/2009 20:46	Hi Jeffkn, OOPs!! I'm realising that my little stack of older and newer sticks aren't worth two hoots historically. I deeply admire your efforts to record pre 1990 rods and know I'm way out my league posting here but I'll try. To me, history is static in some sense but is often revealed as a record of totally human (aka 'normal') activities with the mystique of time cleaned off as we delve more into the day to day forces that caused 'advances' in rods. Yes, I respect how such craftsmen achieved beautiful and not so beautiful but equally functional works with all those 'limits' but I do not see why it has to be searching for limited 'old wood' that needs the care of a museum expert. My collecting has always focused on 'origins' of a school of tapers/styles/technologies and how it has evolved from there... and if it means starting from a 1915 Fairy Catskills to a Tim Zeitak hollow-flame-saltwater rod or Chris Bogart bamboo-ferruled number, that's where I'll go. To me, it is more important to know how to care and fish the rod ( and retaining the quarry in its natural habitat) than keeping a museum quality rod collection as part of history. I've been a educator of sorts and now struggle to design tertiary education & research facilities looking for this illusive human quality called 'creativity'. Youth is often linked to creativity as those raging hormones really scramble up the information sponged up during the formative years and suddenly, an idea tested in the daring of youth becomes a different and original twist. Of course such ideas do mature and show up in later years but you know what I mean. And as I'm beginning to reach a stage where almost everyone under my care is referred to as 'young man', it is important that I not become patronising to these up and rising stars. Making history interesting is probably better than just stating ' we have a generation gap'.... easier said than done but for my kids I start with dinosaurs and gnomes fishing bamboo;-) For an old man stuck in a younger person's body like me, I try to find makers of similar spirit like Jeff Hatton to share my ideas and dreams and customising new, yet 'old' rods that have links to history and 'creativity' ...or if we elevate it a little... Art. And if it's not art, at least it is fun being eclectic! Arthur Last Edited By: ARTHURK 06/12/2009 23:13. Edited 3 times.
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Soft Hackle		#47	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1245 06/14/2009 19:51	I have no idea how many collector/accumulator types there are but if I had to guess I would think around the same numbers and perhaps even age ranges that have read a lot of Gierach's work. Hard to read a few of his books and not develop a curiosity about fishing bamboo. I do know there seem to be a lot of buyers for whatever Classic tackle I find on our favorite auction site. Anything I am interested in from Heddons to Hardys seem to get bid up pretty good. Many of the current makers I suspect are having a tough time in this economy , even those who previously had over one year waiting lists are not getting the orders or so I have been told by a couple people closer to the scene than I.
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Whitefish Press		#48	[url]	[-]
Posts: 481 06/15/2009 13:46 Sic transit piscatoria Clark's	Just got a correction from Hoagy. His groundbreaking work has recently surpassed the 22,000 mark--still an incredible achievement, having been in print since its launch. And that doesn't even touch on its influence; think of how many copies have been loaned from libraries, friends, etc. The influence of Hoagy and Everett's book is enormous. The point of my even bringing this up was that if that many people were interested in what remains a seminal work on advanced rodbuilding, it bodes well for the angling world (and the bamboo universe). For every bamboo rod maker there has to be 1000 anglers who fish bamboo. You do the math. -- Dr. Todd
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